Does anyone know realistically when Hartlett or Bower could
a) return in the reserves
b) crack the 1st

I say this because i believe that the only reason Livingston/Prendergast are playing is because we have no one to replace them with

http://www.injuryupdate.com.au/afl.php?team=Carlton&mascot=Blues

That site's usually on the money, I believe

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"In better news for Blues fans, Jarrad Waite was not named on the club's injury list."

it says Hartlett: week after Kangaroos. Obviously he will play 2's for a few weeks.

But more importantly do you guys think he is up to playing 1's this season

Alot will depend on how useful he is at the lower levels john21, but given how important he is to us - both as a high pick not yet seen, and for his size, Hartlett is probably the most likely player on the list to be given a go in the seniors without the prerequisite form or fitness.

This pre-season, Hartlett was given opportunities before Livingston to make it. It was only Hartlett's injury, IMHO, that stopped him playing in Round 1.

Therefore I'd expect him to be playing before the end of the year barring further injury.

Cheers mate