Bit of a Mark Waugh molsey

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C'mon Wangers tell us what you really think? BTW you should time how long it takes AB to release the footy from hand to foot. Not only is his pace slow but he's also too slow in kicking the footy. Needs to improve in these areas.

To my way of thinking, Bryan showed more in his 11 games last year than McLaren and Deluca have this year.
Why is it that because McLaren is picked up this season he automaticaly gets the 2nd ruck role without earning it and Bryan games last year count for nought?
And dont get me started on Deluca, NO-ONE could argue that he has not been given more than a fair go.
Look, Bryan might not be the greatest trainer but he really should be judged on what he provided to the club last year, and in my opinion should be given the oppotunity to build on that.

We need a genuine ruckman. It's the biggest issue for me, followed by FB and CHB...and at least one more Murphy.

I'd rather have a Prender than McLaren as a nullifier in the ruck, as he has the ability to at least run on the big open spaces.

200+ cm= French, Deluca and rookies in Batson, Aisake.

After that we've got:

Setanta 198
McLaren 196

....and that's all folks.

Having the one ruck nearly paid off. It only took 6 minutes of footy and it was all over on Sunda. Only 6 minutes. When French retires (normally it would be 2006) we've got that problem that we had when we took him on from Port.

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I love the argument that Bryan is not in the team because he lacks intensity. Good thing that we have Captain Intensity in the team to set the standard in that area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The way i remember Bryan rucking is jumping and missing everything.

Synners take Bryan and stick him at CHF and leave Kennedy out? But we want to play the kids.

We needed runners. That's what we tok and it worked. But I could see at 3/4 time we were gone. the boys had nothing left in their legs. Watched the game again and what is apparent is that the skills/decision maiing begin to fall away in the last and in the last fifteen mintues were woeful. the lads were [REDACTED] but gee they were game.

Denis coached well this game.

Now he needs to string more of these games together.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Danny Denis coached well for 3/4 of the game I will give him that he had the West coast Eagles beat and Worsfold did not know how to counter it - Worsfold got him in the last
He started Hunter off the half back and when we pushed back ( flooded ) hunter went forward with his player which was Wiggins he new then he had a mismatch . At about the ten minute mark he moved Hunter forward permanently this upset the balance and forced Mcgrath who held Embly all day on three occassions to leave Embly to provide a contest and Embly run riot because he was lose . Whitnal was left trying to make a contest with 3-4 tall forwards and he looked out of sorts
Wirra Punda who had been lead a merry dance by Betts for 3/4 of the game moved forward and was marked by Bannister . Wirrrapunda had a hand in three - four goals in the last . He also pushed Kouta back late which was a mistake.

He should have left Fev- Wiggens Betts Kennedy and Kouta forward and deep this would have forced them to go with them but he decided to Flood and the eagles half back line took over and Fev was one out against 2-3

He went right away from the game plan that got him the lead and the players had trouble adapting and tried to move the ball forward like they did for the the first 3/4 s but this time there were no targets to kick to .

They should have brought the ball out slowly and maintained possession but they were still trying to attack while employing a flood .It doesn't work you need to be preciise when bringing the ball out of a flood and most times the fast break just results in the ball rebounding back

He tried to change the tempo but the player dont seem capable of adjusting the tempo and he should have realised that the gameplan he tried to adopt for the last 20 minutes is the same plan that lead us to the belting in the previous 3-4 games .

He panicked and it is not a good sign particually for a bloke with his experience

also there were 3-4 dodgy umpiring decisions that did not help

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You're a bit of a player Sinners...I mean you've done it. So let me ask you about another big lead we blew a few years ago - Rd 14 2003 vs melbourne. We were 34 odd points up a 3/4 time and Melbourne played all over us to win. Now after the win the players were absolutely gutted - like they'd just lost the gf - probably because they had dedicated the game to Vinnie Waite who'd just passed away.

Now I reckon that game is when Pages completely lost the playing group - or at least the seniors. Ratts was sacked in the week following (if i remember rightly) and we copped thrashing after thrashing in what would definitely be our worst 8 consecutive games in history.

the story I get is that the players weren't very happy with the way he handled the last quarter tactically. Without going into detail, unlike to WC game, he made little adjustment to the game plan - keep banging it long - and was way too slow in reacting to some obvious Melb moves. In other words he kept on attacking and lost the game, the players and the season.

Now 3 yrs down the track, he is being accused by some of reacting too negatively in a similar situation. Do you see any comparisons between the 2 games and Pago's reactions and has he grown tactically compared to his first year (remembering that you were leading the charge up his arse in those days).

Cheers mate...

but we are not giving credit to West Coast here. they ran, they have flexibility (its called a strong list), they had a home crowd, home ground and they are older/bigger/seasoned.


Did you watch the game? What did you think at 3/4 time? I felt we were gone and hoped West Coast didn't have the legs - they did.

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Dannyboy ...... remember when we used to do that to teams ? It will happen again ... one day soon ..... I hope.

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West coast had looked slow all day Danny they were flat and The Blues were all over them . Pagan made the move that Worsfold couldn't think of and that was late in the third and early in the fourth he pushed numbers behind the ball. The Eagles players went with them . This meant that guys like Wirrapunda and Hunter who had been both beaten all day were brought into the contest . Worsfold then decided to leave them there . Thompson made the same mistake a week earlier when he shifted Mooney back it brought Hunter into the game and turned him into a forward.
Fev had beaten Glass soundly all day and at contest with in the forward 50 it was about 10-2 in Fevs favour - When we pushed back Fev moved to the Half forward line and the wing Glass beat him everytime and became an attacking backman.Score was about 7-0

The West coast were good but we were better - We played into their hands and were punished for it

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and Wirrapunda forward?

Embley Forward?

Cox?

Chick's crashing of packs?

Suppose Denis sent a message across to their box to ensure these things were done also.

But then this hurt you more than a 100 point loss, mind you - is it simply because you are disappointed the scoreboard was big enough? What were you expecting again? A 200 point loss or something like that? Yep that would have been fun.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

It did hurt more than a 100 point loss becuase it proved to me what have been thinking for so long that we are not that bad we are just managed badly .
Wirrapunda only went forward when He followed his man Worsfold saw how damaging he looked and left him there.

Cox had been winning all day

Embly was thrashed by Mcgrath for three quarters it was only when he left Embly to provide a contest that the ball fell in Emblys lap. Mcgrath actually took whitnal out of 3-4 marking contests he should have stayed down but Whitnal had now 2-3 tall to contend with that were not there for three quarters of the game

Chick did lift in the last but so what .

100 point losses you can accept that you are a crap side - Games like this shows you that you are not which makes our results over the last 2 years even more frustating its because when he gets it right and plays to their strengths we are super competitive .

I can accept the side being shit

But I cannot accept a side knowing they are competitive and playing shit

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Sydney I just think thats a fanciful anti-pagan slant on the game which I watched. Absolute bollocks.

for once I agree with molsey and unlike me is is intelligent and insightful.

Your speaking out of your hate for Denis, its silly. Desire another coach all you want, but get some perspective.


No wonder BV doesn't want to be dumped in the anti-pagan camp. All that frothing of the mouth is unsanitary.

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Sydney?

Nobody can accept a side being shit.

Nobody can know that a side 'knows they are competitive but still playing shit.' You've had a chat to all players in the side to confirm this? You should coach mate.

What if we had of won? Would it be,

This win hurts more than a loss because it proves we were competetive for two years previous when we should have been winning...

Or we get belted by 100 points on Sunday in Perth. Then is it,

Pagan is shit. Sack him. I don't like him.

You're just bashing Sydney. Your anti-Pagan agenda can't work every game.

Well maybe I haven't turned into a footscray supporter yet
Maybe I not prepared to accept honourable losses like you do when your kid play under 9's - What was Kennet said the other day we are paying them over 9 million a year I expect them to perform

Maybe seeing our side take this year potential preimiers to the cleaners for 3 and bit quarters and then throw it away just infuriates me even more when we come up against worse sides and get belted .

Maybe I am to biased in my anti Pagan agenda but can you blame me when you see the way they preformed on the weekend - Where was that game when we were playing Port or Richmond or Hawthorn or even Stkilda or Collingwood

I was guttered after that loss there was a pit in my stomach. We were about to do the impossible and threw it away .

I've watched this game three times now and still draw the same conclusions and still get that pit in my stomach -

So call me anti pagan post as may garthp as you like but he made the wrong moves and what worries me more than anything is when this AFL system hands Pagan the players that dont need coaching and the side is competing again . He will still be making the wrong moves

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And for the record, for once I agree with Danny.

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Five goals is nothing... we outplayed West Coast all day but didnt get enough results for our work...I think Danny is a bit like me and we have seen plenty of footy over the journey and I didnt feel secure with just a five goal lead .

Good teams bury other teams while the run of play is going their way and we should have been 10 goals up and thats why we lost.......
Denis was an interesting study in the last quarter..several times the cameras flashed to the coaching box and Denis appeared gob smacked by the events of the last quarter......phone in hand, mouth open but nothing coming out...

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Will he? That's amazing.

I understand you're hurting mate but only gypsies have crystal balls. That's why they walk funny.

Are you pissed off at Pagan or the system?

I'm not a fan of the system.