I actually thought that Pagan coached well on Sunday.
His match ups were quite reasonable and I thought he showed confidence in the playing group which i havent seen for a long time.

All the things that supporters have been asking for were delivered. I thought his midfield rotations were a massive improvement on past efforts. Without looking at the tape, I'd suggest up to 8 midfielders were rotated through the middle in the first quarter.

Kennedy and Russel were played and although they didnt get the required game time, they had some opportunity.
Kennedy showed the ability to contest hard and hit the packs which saw him involved in several of our goals.
Denis needs to value this component more and leave Josh on the field, even if he's not getting possessions.

The game style we are playing is also pleasing and something that several supporters have wanted since he came to the club.

The last quarter fade out was a consequence of mentally fragile players imho.
The Eagles have a strong belief in their ability to come back from any position and that is something that is developed over a prolonged period of success.
Our players lack the mental strength at the moment to hold off teams with momentum.
We have too many players who are unable to make consistently good decisions when pressure is applied.

All in all, I thought it was a fantastic effort from all involved however I still believe the exclusion of Carrazzo was very costly.
His disposal isnt always perfect but he makes quality decisions under pressure and he knows how to get the pill AND how to create a link up field.

It may be seen as a backhanded compliment but Denis coaches well when our opposition keep it simple and play man on man football.
It was reminiscent of the freedom we were afforded in last years Wizard Cup.
We struggle when teams complicate the game and place players behind the ball. Tactically we need to have structures that allow us to overlap and kick over the defensive zone of our opponents.

Good sides put the ball in the hands of designated users exiting the backline ie Travis Johnstone, Heath Shaw. Too often the opposition zone off Bret Thornton and allow us to get the ball to him unimpeded.
We then turn it over.
Our structures need to address these issues and contingencies should be in place to have the ball in the hands of our choice of player. eg. a running midfielder.

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and just to get you back BV,
I agree

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Well thats basically what I said in my first post in this thread

But you didn't agree with me.

The only difference BV thinks its mental scarring i think it was the decision to flood late

Sydney Blue wrote

Danny Denis coached well for 3/4 of the game I will give him that he had the West coast Eagles beat and Worsfold did not know how to counter it


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They should have brought the ball out slowly and maintained possession but they were still trying to attack while employing a flood .It doesn't work you need to be preciise when bringing the ball out of a flood and most times the fast break just results in the ball rebounding back


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He tried to change the tempo but the player dont seem capable of adjusting the tempo



Whats the difference Danny

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because no where do i read BV blaming Denis for our loss.

No where have I read you say anything other than it was all Denis's fault.

and context SB - its all about context. I was having a bit of fun with my compliment to BV. It was actually, contextually, an insult becuase he had alluded earlier that I knew nothing - therefore if I agree with him, he must be wrong

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BV I agree with your analysis.

Your post is really succinct, to the point and imo an accurate analysis of the game; a great insight in the areas of our game that need more thought, planning and improvement for better execution in the future.

Perhaps Pagan has Walker in the back half as the designated ball carrier; he has a lot of pace. If so, this still does not address your point to have a ball receiver/ carrier with good disposal skills.

Goodonya

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Look, I have always been sceptical on Bentick and whether he'll make it. I hope he does, but you hit the nail on the head there, Rod. The release of the footy from hand to foot is slow, and is his pace on foot is still suspect (exposed against the WCE on Sunday), despite some improvement.

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I think Bentick has the capability of being a solid "B Grader" i.e. a good player in a quality side. Our 1995 side had players with deficiencies who were good contributors such as Hogg and Clape.

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Bentick has only played 25 games. I think it's too early to be writing him off

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Effie not writing him off, but merely highlighting major deficiency in his game. Good St Bernards boy who has supported the Blues all his life. I would love to see him cement a place in the AFL.

Back to the original question of the thread.

A: Didn't give DP the right answer to a question. Just guessing! Who knows?!

you know why!? Cos he was hangin' out wif Casey Donovan

Interesting that you imply TBird is some kind of turn over king. Statistically (Pro Stats -errors/Hun -clangers) show that Brett has one of the lowest error rates (percentage of total disposals) in our team, if not the lowest - certainly lower than our midfielders and the two opposition players you mentioned.

I can't say for certain what constitutes an error/clanger but I assume disposal errors are included. Missing a player at 30 metres in open space is obviously an error but what about kicking to a contest that the opposition wins (especially a contest that is heavily stacked in the opposition's favour) - perhaps they are not included an error. Perhaps TBIrd kicks too often to contests - I don't know.

You could make it clearer in what way is he unreliable coming out of defence. I have generally found Brett to be a good disposer of the ball and it sounds a bit rough you saying "get the ball to Brett and then we turn it over."

As a side note, another player who is low in error/clanger rates this year is Carrazzo. The problem is that when he clangs, he really clangs and people tend to remember this rather than disposals that reach their target.

Fair comments Billy.

Put Stevens at half back with time and space and see how often we score compared to T/Bird.
Bret often chips to safe options or kicks to 45 metre contests.
Chip kicks to static targets allows teams to flood back and create a defensive wall.
The advantage of players like Scotland, Shaw, Stevens etc is they run hard with the ball and put players in offensive positions with their disposal.

Their error rate will be higher because the risk factor is higher, but the offensive impact is far greater.

As an example, Houla is rated as commiting more errors than Prender.
Yet I would strongly suggest that Houla creates substantially greater headaches for the opposition coaches.
Like Stevens, his disposals often create goals or put team mates in a position to hurt the opposition most.

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You mean you can't just judge a player on statistics alone...?

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I think we're aware of the magical qualities of statistics, GWS.