I think the point is all these spoilt prima donnas who think the club owes them EVERYTHING.. is why were shit today.
Its A pathetic culture and it needs to be eradicated.
I really hope our kids learn to fight for each other and protect each other making sacrifices for each other on and off the field rather than look at the carryings on of the generation before them.

At the end of the day the generation of senior players left to hold the mantle at Carlton wernt up to it .. but still demanded they they received all of the spoils of the champions who had worn the navy blue before them
None walked that extra mile for the club... when the club most needed them to.

So why should i be loyal to them???

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I do.

The whole me me me bullshit has to stop if we're ever to get anywhere.

Do you think James Hird/Michael Voss/Nathan Buckley weren't ever offered serious money to leave their clubs?

Funnily enough it wasn't ever a major issue for any of them.

But it was for Kouta.

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Juzz is one of these people that wants us to be good but doesnt care that theree needs to be a process for us to turn things around....
Juzz is the kind of Carlton supporter the weak board wants to appease when it makes its calls.

So no hard calls are ever made in case we lose membership...

what some people dont understand is we need to make some very hard calls that will on the surface be harsh but in the long term they will be beneficial.
Kouta is not important to where were going...

Juzz wants it to be fixed... but dont break any eggs in the process....

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I guess that all makes sense now that Koutas goes around telling his mates that "I can't wait for the season to end so I can take my cash and get out of the shit joint".
But then again people around here still wouldn't get it

Kouta, for gods sake retire ...enough's enough!

CFC, pay Kouta what he's owed, give him a testimonial & a lap of honour and wish him well. GET ON WITH BUILDING THE FUTURE!

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There's so much I could say...

It wont be eradicated till the entire vestiges of the David Allison managed players have left the club - unfortunately that includes Kouta.

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We, as a club, were dumb. We wanted to ensure we kept the players WE developed - not bought or poached - developed. Other clubs with cash in their hands inflated the prices of players and Kouta and Hird took the advantage.

He'll be a long time out of the game and I personally don't hold it against him for taking the money promised in his contract. I'll bet you Hird doesn't give any back to the bummers, and let's be honest, they're in a similar position to us - coincidence?? I don't think so.

The million dollar babies are all but gone and left a nasty legacy to their clubs, but the clubs were silly to let them get away with it in the first place.

Good luck Kouta, and teach that boy of yours well.

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sorry but I would not compare Hird and Kouta. Hird leads (and is paid accordingly), Kouta collects (and is paid because of). I think they are as different as chalk and cheese.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Bigfooty has decided to announce Koutas retirement quoting the source as SEN- If true its a sad end to a great career. Happy now Synbad if true maybe money isnt his only driving factor.

One-fifth of the salary cap... yeah. when you put it like that it - it is disgraceful.

I know about all the backdating /forward dating etc... but yes..
it would be great if kouta said... look.. i want to put some money back into the club - here's 100k for the building of the gym.

i know that is a small step but it is a step.

Id still want him to have a fairwell game.
He deserves it as a Carlton great.

But he must retire and we must move on.

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Kouta to wait and see over playing on

I thought Buckley walked out on Brisbane after one year to go to his club of choice!

How did we recruit Bradley, Kernahan, Williams, etc. if money wasn't a factor in their decisions?

Didn't a certain Carlton great leave the Cats for a measly $5000 grand?

Did Stevens walk?

Lets piss on his grave whilst it's still warm and call him a merc rather than a brilliant player who played footy for the club. Kouta took the money Elliott offered and you would demand it too if another employer offered you more after playing great footy.

I don't think he should play on or be on a million and he should show more leadership just like Stevens who isn't any different to Anthony. Except Nick's body isn't [REDACTED] up beyond belief from a million knee ops and he won't be a cripple when he's older.

He couldn't even outmark a powderpuff like Brad Green in round 1!

You have no idea and you certainly enjoy fishing and putting words in people's mouthes!

Can you explain how his salary is related to the cost of feeding Africa for a year?

Do you object to the plans of the Federal, State and Local Governments spending tax payers dollars to pamper our highly paid athletes?

Kouta is on a million per year..
plus he got 300k pa for a couple of yeards from adidas..
plus he is on fox footy.

hes made a squillion from the game....


african kids are dying...


not just the african kids but we have to pay him.. are you listening to this the Game???... a club that is going to the AFL to stay afloat must pay Kouta 500k outside of the salary cap...

Now if i can hold your attention just a bit longer... do you realise that is pretty close to what either Dan Murphy or Optus pay us yearly????

And just to dust the crustoli with a bit of icing...

In the last 5 or 6 years when Kouta got all this $$$$$$$$$$$$$... he has done in REAL output terms.... pretty much swwet FA for it...

And getting back to Africa... in a contininent where they survive on a dollar a day basically... how much joy would 1 mill a year bring???

Kouta has been well overpaid for an AFL player... considering his output.
Its a huge amount and its killing the club.

If you put it in perspective .. cos he hasnt done that much for it lately... imagine if that money was put into humanitarian needs and what impact it would have had???


Do you realise what 1 mill a year is???

Thats 20 times what the average .per year Australian worker gets.
Has he been worth it over 5 / 6 years???

I know you like false heros as your avator suggests... but fair dinkum!!!!

Anyway... good luck to him.. i hope he plays one more game.. THATS IT!!!... and takes his money and leaves us alone to get back to the serious business of rebuilding this footy club without the albatross around our necks.

Cos thats what he is now!!!

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I'd say the next few weeks will tell all how the team will perform without Kouta in it.

Whatever has happened has happened, we must acknowledge it, be mindful of it and put a blue print in place too move forward.

I would love too see him play one more game as his testimonial / farewell, but I do think for the benefit of developing our team he must retire sooner rather than later.

If he was playing at the moment, and it was glaringly obvious that his presence on the field was assisting the development of our guys, then I would say go on, but I just don't get that feeling.

Only the inner sanctum would know his true worth in terms of presence at the club and with the boys.

I wonder deep down how Murphy / Kennedy/ Russell etc see his leadership, we may never really know.

My feeling is thanks for the superstar games, you you have played memorable games that will only be matched by few, you have been rewarded handsomely, when the club was in the shite you took a pay cut, what the then administration offered you too stay also contributed slightly too putting the club in the shite, but it is time too move on in a fair dignified manner.

Then lets start bringing through the other guys after the next few weeks.

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See this is where you don't get it. I'm not suggesting that there aren't other players who hold out for more money. Hamill did it and I thought his request was reasonable - it was the club's offer that wasn't.

This is the point - Kouta's contract has been UNREASONABLE in anyone's terms except those who'd lick his nuts if he asked them.

Williams held out for $5K after winning a B&F in his first season. Geelong wanted to continue paying him base and he thought he was worth a little more than that. At $5K it obviously wasn't about the money - he wanted recognition that he'd arrived as a player and the club valued his contribution. They didn't and as a result they probably missed out on a couple of flags in the early 90s (imagine Diesel feeding Ablett... ).

Buckley never held the Bears to ransom. He told them from the beginning that he wanted to play for a big Melbourne club and Collingwood was his preference.

Bradley was a great player like Kouta (though for far longer) but it's fairly obvious where Kouta learnt his wage bargaining skills. The way Bradley stood out from training was a disgrace although it's mitigated slightly by the fact that he was never on anything like what Kouta was and he had to sit by watching a guy like Kouta come along and take some of what was probably rightfully his.

Stevens wanted to return to Melbourne. I don't have a problem with that either. In fact I don't have a problem with any player moving clubs and if they can get more money then fine.

What I do have a problem with is a player who takes a completely UNREASONABLE slice of a club's salary cap the way Kouta and no-one else has done.

Had he accepted $750K a year at the peak of his career I would have copped him choosing to take Sydney's offer. Greedy? Yes, but them's the breaks.

The difference between what Kouta did and what the others did is that it's very easily arguable that they moved clubs or negotiated deals that were within the bounds of what's reasonable. I have no problem with that.

I have a problem with one player who quite clearly negotiated a deal that was never in the best interests of his club, his team mates or the game itself. The only person that contract was in the best interests of was Kouta (although only on a purely financial level).

And as for Kouta "accepting the money Elliott offered" that's a crock. Elliott never offered it. Elliott caved in to Kouta's blackmail. That moment exposed Elliott as pathetic and Kouta as greedy and helped to set our club on a downward spiral.

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The moment Allison helped Kouta to a million a year the hyenas all wanted Allison to negotiate for them.
Allsion had a stable.. but when you can get a million for one player.. you must understand what happens next.

....and it did....
You just lose all semblence of reality and everything goes to la la land...
Black Friday is a monument to it all...

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What are u on synbad???

How have his last 5 years been poor... 2 best and fairests... runner up etc... Yeh thats terrible form isnt it...

You really have no idea... Yes his career is coming to an end but dont bullshit about him being poor for the last five years... Just Because he hasnt been taking 12 marks, gathering 35 possesions and kicking 3 goals like he once did...

I hope he has a good finish to the year and its propably time he retires at the end of the year... It's only been this year he has struggled...

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The problem is when you're earning that sort of money getting those sort of stats is an obligation.

As for winning best and fairests?

Do you think he would have won last year if he was playing for any of the stronger sides?

So he beat Digby Morrell and friends to a medal.

Wow!

Give the man a million bucks...

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