Who knows... were going into hypotheticals...

He would be under less pressure to perform in a better side i know that... Nick Stevens has been a better player for Port Adelaide than he has for carlton...

If John Elliott wanted to be stupid enough to pay the $1mill then good luck to Kouta... Why should he be remembered for his bank balance rather than what a good player he was...

He has always worked hard to get the best out of himself on the field, its quite sad that whenever koutas name is mentioned its always about his contract... I wish him all the best and if he finishes the year off solidly i would have no problem with him going on for 1 more year...

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And how much would you pay him for that one year?

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i dont think think he's got enough to go another year but i agree with you that it is sad for a player of his ilk to be remembered for his checkbook its not his fault anyone would take a mil a year and plus he's made over 600k worth of paycuts he is a true champion and should be remembered for that

I think you made a typo GWS; it should be how much should he pay us to play.

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Oi!!!So wiseguy???
Youre building a club and you would give Kouta FIVE MILLION SMACKAROOS (millions not m&ms) for that output would you???

Grow up!!!

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Retire and retire now.
I reckon he should have retired at the end of last year, put Stevens as skipper and let the next generation come through.

Surely he can't go around for another year. For mine he's a liability out on the ground.
Why have Kouta at CHF or in a pocket when we could have Josh Kennedy killing blokes, smashing packs and kicking bags of goals?
Why have Kouta in the guts when we could have an Adam Bentick or a Luke Blackwell fighting tooth and nail under a pack trying to feed the ball out to a Stevens, Scotland or Murphy?

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When did i say i think he is worth that much money lol... Absolutely he isnt, and if you listened to what i said, that was not the point i was making

As i said before, i'm more dissappointed that he is known for how much money he makes rather than what he does on the field...

And yeh, it propably is time for Kouta to retire... but he doesnt deserve the spray he gets from the supporters... This year is perhaps an exception.. he hasnt been great but he is nearing the end and has been a terrific player for many years

He is not the money hungry devil he is made out to be and we should remember him for the player he has been, rather than bring up the same old shit about money...

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Kouta what a great player but not worth the millions that he has been paid to him. He should retire gracefully and maybe go into some kind of media role next yr. Would love to remember him for the one handed pick ups and the demolition of sides by himself than a pig with his nose in the trough.

Be interesteing to see what a guy like Harvey will do now with that hamstring injury. With him wanting to retire last season and being talked out of it. Will he retire gracefully. These are the moments that are the testing of the man and the player aka Leppitch/Wanga.

Having said that Synners is right guys like him and Bradley have set the club back with their unreasonable demands just as much as the Elliot board has by giving in to those demands. Our past arrogance is our enemy in all of this and kouta the last of that playing group.

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Maybe all the players should donate there money to Africa so there are no more starving children ... WTF was that statement for lol

Seriously most would agree Kouta is not showing leadership is grossly over paid and from sounds did hold the club to ransom...

He Was a champion player Pre Knee injury and deserves a final game to celebrate the good times when he was a topline player.

But agreed he should retire all this is true but please dont put stupid if he paid his 1Mill to Africa he would solve all the answers to the starving masses in Africa thats just being a total Nuff Nuff

Just say he was greedy he should retire his leadership was questionable and he deserves a Game for his time at the club for when he was a champion

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Well if he isnt he can donate a million dollars to the club.

did you know we have a million and a half shorfall currently in our day to day runnings of the club???

Thats technically insolvent (If it wasnt for the AFLs guarantee to have a 16 game competition- make no mistake that we will be a club under the AFLs single mothers pension fund.

*And he did hold the club to ransom for the money he got.
*He has been just ok in that time...nothing more.. and thats only for the 65% of the games that he has actually played.
*He won a BnF in that time but so too did Corey and Teaguey.
*Worst captain ever at the club.
*Didnt have a consistent career
*Never worth what he got.. will be remembered as a great but also for being the highest paid player ever but didnt deliver during that contract. - its undeniable.

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Is that Kouta's winter ball his testimonial??

Well at least it's been confirmed - he did have an injury. I think the teams performance over the next 5 weeks will determine whether Kouta stays on. If we win a couple of games & a few of the younger guys as well as Stevens steps up then I think the writing will be on the wall for him to retire. If we struggle then I think he'll be tempted to go around another year.

Personally, for me, enough is enough & he should retire. He should play his farewell game against Collingwood & he should get a great send off as he deserves it - he is one of the champions of the club. I worry that if he goes on for another year then he will not be remembered that way & he doesn't deserve that.

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couldn't give an arse how much he has been - or is being - paid, kouta isn't contributing and you don't keep non-contributors on the senior list of any team unless they're a junior with the potential to take their game to another level. Big K should call it quits while people still consider him a champion, another season of substandard performance and he'll go down in my mind as a late starter who reached the top but ended his career as a good ordinary footballer.

I hope he gets his hand right and returns to give the fans half a dozen performances to remember him by.

If that gig's a fundraiser for Kouta I'll be ropable...

It couldn't be...

Could it...?

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Hird/ Buckley/ Voss have all been managed through their injuries by the their clubs.
Our club had Kouta playing every minute of every game last year . So in effect they have killed him off . Or was it Kouta’s way of showing leadership – Being out there

So those of you arguing about his wage whats Buckley getting paid for playing 60 minutes compared to Kouta 120 minutes

If the Swans were prepared to pay him the money he wanted . We could of traded him .

Imagine he deal we could have got we could have got the swans to part with their 1st round pick for 3-4 years in return for Kouta when he was flying,

The club choose to do none of it .

They choose to pay him the money because the marketing and income that Kouta brought in probably out weighed the cost of paying him

He won our Best and Fairest last year but apparently a Best and Fairest at Carlton is not worth the paper it is written on . Its just a token jester according to some on here.
John Nicholls won five , Sticks 3 but there not worth a piece of shit

They also asked him to extend his contract by a year . So in effect Kouta gave back some $600k to the club

Kouta is finished – He was a 260 game CHAMPION of our club

Lets just cut the bagging and enjoy the memories of a once great Carlton Player

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I agree- why isn't Kouta on the bench more often?

I have been arguing this at least 6 weeks ago. the use of the interchange bench by the coaching staff is not up to standard. If i remember rightly, the games we have won have all come about when Kouta has spent a reasonable amount of time on the bench. He needs to be a pinch-hitter. not a slogger.

I was very confused by their non-use of Murphy against richmond when we were in a position to win that match. very odd.

The same Hird who did his hammy again yesterday and was kept on the ground despite only being able to kick it short and handball.

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33 years old seems about the limit Sheedy wants blood from a stone and Hird seems desperate to get out there.

Kouta just seems to be going through the motions

Hird doesn't cop the baggings that Kouta does and I'm sure he sucks up a bit of their cap

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All noises coming out around the traps last time Hird signed a contract indicated it was for between $700 & 750K. For a long term franchise player that's probably the limit of what's REASONABLE.

Had Kouta not held out on the club (and negotiated rather than stonewalled) and accepted a REASONABLE offer similar to Hird then he might have garnered some of the respect that Hird today enjoys. There's little doubt Hird was offered more to leave the Bombers but took less to stay. Taking one fifth of the salary cap is both UNREASONABLE and self-centred and shows a complete lack of love for the club.

When people try to justify Kouta's pay packet what they're in effect doing is justifying the culture of individual greed that's nearly destroyed our club.

Great footy players realise that there are times when they have to make individual sacrifices on the field for the greater good of the team - putting your head over the ball, playing out of position for team balance etc. Why shouldn't this apply off-field as well?

And then the flower gets made leader...

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I may not be correct but my memory was that Kouta's contract was heavily backended meaning that the earlier years he was on far less than the 1 mill figure that keeps getting thrown up . As well as that he defferred a year so basically he for went a years income .

So is he on the mill this year or is it less

If he is what was he supposed to be on the years he deferred his payment . Was it 1.2 or 1.3 mill who knows.

the club shouldn't have given in particually with a comodity that could be gone the next day. I also dont agree with back ended contracts because you are paying a player more when his contributions are less.

when Kouta was tearing teams appart noone cared how much he was getting paid its only when his output dimishes do people start to question it.

Tha same thing can be said about the coach, his performance has been sub standard since he arrived but his salary never seems to be questioned and doesn't get singled out in the financial reprt like Collo did this year . Is the salary we pay DP denying us the latest gym equipment. does it stop us from hiring good assistant coaches , does it mean we cant hire the most important person and that is a shrink to get through to the fragile minds DP tells us the players have .

Kouta is just one of many financial mistakes the club has made over this torrid journey but there is no denying when he was firing there was none better

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Interesting regurgitation of the last 5 years on footy forums...

Big difference between Coach and Players are though Sydney is that there is a cap on payments for one, not the other. To have 1 player earning say 20% of a cap is just so farcical you have to scratch your head and wonder... (plus wonder where all your hair went).