NO. 4 wins in 2005 did. Give me strength.
Actually 10 wins gave us record membership and a wizard cup win and more bounce then you could possible imagine but hell what do I know.

and what happened next????

and our best and fairest????

and all those other blokes we brought into the club???

You should pray for strength each and every morning you wake up surrey...

The real world is not a forgiving place like home is...

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A first rd PP and an early (top 5) pick obviously would have given us more on draft day than what we ended up with, pick 9 (with all due respect to JR)

But this year the argument is over whether we get pick 18 or not…it's a big difference to years gone by.

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Also.. the picks we got from coming last , last year will shore up the clubs talent stocks to WIN... (Really WINin) long after the ten woodies you got in 2004 were gone...

But then again... with you??? ...maybe not....

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we recruited an experienced winning coach ... we had a winning culture too.

winning culture is ridiculous... its as passe as the burnt orange Torana you probably drive.

There is no such thing as winning cultures anymore.
There is a cap and a draft.. and theyre there so if you play all your cards right and have some luck you might average a flag every 16 years.

Its like death and taxes.. you wont cheat it.

On the other hand if you do everything wrong... you can miss your turn for a few longer years.

Right now were at post position to take advantage of the system.. and the system has been put together with great care to average everything out so there is no long term winning culture.
Just teams on the up and teams on the slide.. thats it!!!

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Then again you might want to look at our balance sheet for that year with the additional gate receipts, or the 5,000 members at say $150 = $750,000 or the $200,000 from the wc ,etc etc etc ... you see sailor boy, there are two sides to the story but somehow you don't accept it or see it.
But as you say, draft picks is all that counts, money and others we don't need. They will come in 5 years time when we are ready to take on the WestCoast's and Adelaide's in the meantime .... knock, knock AFL are you there ....

Youre on drugs arent you???
Were already going to be getting AFL assistance.

And a balance sheet wont improve cos you won 5 and not 4 .. in fact in my opinion it would go down.
the only way to improve everything is become a good side.
The only bloodline to becoming a good side is getting your hands on enough genuine raw talent to develop.

Not by praying like you do Surrey.
God helps those that help themselves...

Youre funny.....

Do you save money surrey????

If you do why do you????.... why not just go and blow the lot on a hoilday to make you feel good today...???
why do you budget your life today to plan for your future???

Or dont you???

Just cos something makes you feel good today Surrey.. doesnt mean its good for you in 4 years.

Like Hungry Jacks.

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"winning culture is ridiculous... its as passe as the burnt orange Torana you probably drive"

Hey what's wrong with the XU1's ?

Ok then a Sandman.....

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Hey what's wrong with a sandman?...Just kidding.

I agree with Synbad on this one....

Tanking is the quickest way up for our bank balance also...
The reason is that the more "elite" young talent you have, the more people will want to watch them grow....

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I wonder how many of the tanking advocates who watched the last 3 minutes of the WCE game really wanted us to lose and how many were really willing on the Eagles midfield to usher through those final goals.

At the end of the season if that game was the difference between the Carlton Football club having a priority pick and not having one what you prefer, an honourable loss or a win?

we will smash the roos.
at least 5 goals

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Surrey...I think part of the clubs problem is we do look for answers in the past and the clubs culture has worked against us.....we are in the gutter now with the other beggars and we are immersed in a new culture and thats called survival...its time to get down and get dirty with the rest of the beggars and forget about winning mentality's, culture or history.
Its nice to look back on but it wont fix our problems and we wont find any answers in the past....we made a mistake in getting a yesterdays coach and I was as guility as the next supporter in endorsing that appointment because we were looking for another David Parkin type who had a great CV and stable coaching record....but not for the modern era.

Drafting is the only way to secure talent ..you cant buy it anymore unless it falls into your lap like Stevens did and it is all about picking the best kids
which means having the best picks....the tanking theory or strategic losing made me feel uncomfortable at the start but not anymore...the other clubs are all guilty of it eg Hawthorn, Collingwood and now Essendon*... the bombers want Gibbs and will tank to get him...its how the system works and we should be the best at it if we want to get back to the top......or face relocation, or at worst the club folding.

The AFL have only given survival money for this year..its up to us to help ourselves and if it means using the rules as they stand then we should go for it.....some short term pain for long term gain will have to be suffered but after watching Josh Kennedy take some decent pack marks for the Bullants I want to get amongst this years bumper crop of kids and get some more young champs to help him and Murphy take us into a new era....its the only way now...

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If we lose against North, I wont be unhappy.

3 picks in the top 20 are pretty important for this club right now.

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Its the only way our club can move forward...but do pagan and smorgan realise that??? I'll be shattered if we finish with 5or 6 wins for the year. Will be a wasted year. We cant afford that. Piss of Kouta at the end of the year and go with some youth who want to be at the club

A wasted year....tsk tsk tsk..... the emptiness of it all.... so many wasted moments.... Brian Kekovich....such a waste.....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

True knackers...those 10 gutsy wins in 2004 have put us in good stead.

God it would be funny if Russell or Hartlett won a Norm Smith medal one day.

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I wonder how wed feel today watching Murphy playing for Collingood if we won one extra game last year?

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