hang on team, i never intended for this to be another trade Lance or not thread......... Leave the so called commercial trading opportunity for later on in the year. That is another discussion.

My sole rationale for posting was that it was refreshing to have the captain of the club demonstrate leadership by speaking out in the press - and coping it on the chin for his own lack of performance as a leader against North. I think it is something we have lacked and i saw this as a positive sign. Well done to Lance.

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My apologies..its so easy to become sidetracked

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Wow - does the person who started the thread get to control its direction?

If only I'd known...

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LAnce will make no difference in the near term.
Lance being traded can make a difference in the long term.

Look.. i just think its abit fresh for Lance to ask for support when he was one that showed no leadership over a long period of time.

All of a sudden.. hes captain and its "boys???????can i have some support please????"

Like i said not one guy should be a captain in the near term.. instead we should be looking at spreading the load by allowing a few players to take a shot at it.

They might even discover leadership as a group!!!

That was my point on this thread...

And because they neglected their leadership responibilities over the past few years.. i dont see them as leaders...

.. and i have NO SYMPATHY or LOYALTY to them...

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Posts of this ilk ceased to qualify as a point long ago. Why don't you just make it a blunt sticky and move on....perhaps you could go back through Carlton God's old threads and find another idea to run with.

Go you big Red Rooster....

you don't need to have sympathy or loyalty for the current 'leadership' group Synbad....your perogative and fair enough

but at the moment i'll take any sign of leadership as an improvement on where we are to day.

despite his past indiscretions, Lance is travelling o.k this year (to date) and has been granted a level of responsibilty by the club.....so therefore take his statement as a positive initiative.

billy.. yes its right up yours that big rooster... RIGHT UP YOURS!!!..

BTW... i dont think you understand the point...

The point is Lance didnt help out the leadership stakes as a senior player and now he wants help....

Ill repeat it again for you if you like..

"If he thinks im going to play like Wayne Carey he has another thing coming!!"

- said to all and sundry.

Now he might have a point... he is no Carey... but when he is on a big fat cheque and the coach tells him to jump..., Lance should flap his wings and try and jump....not go eat pies and drink beer at every TAB in the northern suburbs....

Pulled his finger out after a near football death experience.. and a few personal problems that inisted he better earn some money while he can or he will end up as the check out chick at Safeway by the time he was 30.

Good luck to him for attempting the change in his life (Like Andro in the Biggest Loser).... but hes not what we need !!!
What we need is a fresh slate.

Challenge me to say it again???


London Blue that level of responsibility should have ALWAYS been there.... he shouldnt have had to weight(sic) till age 28 to bring it out.

Thats one of the hugest reasons why were shit... noone went the extra mile... (FOR THE CLUB)

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I like Lance as a player but I don't think he should be captain.

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We have a saying in my line of work ... 'We are where we are'

I dont believe that what a player did or didnt do in 2003 should impact on 2007. if he wsa crap then he could have been delisted, or traded, but wasnt for a variety of reasons. Its what they're doing now that counts.

2003 2004 and part of 2005..

And what he didnt do (not just him but others in that time too) impacted on the kids and the coach us. and especially the club..which brings it back to us again....

i dont think these blokes can walk away from that... none of them.

And i dont think a guy like Lance has alot left in the tank for us not to maximise on him... and to all of a sudden think we cant do without him.
We just need to maximise our position and if that means trading him off.. and bringing in a ten year player wed be derelict in our duty to not do it.

Considering were crying to thr AFL for picks...

We want everything handed to us on a platter though dont we???

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What he has left in the tank is a far better argument to make in support of trading than what happened in the past.

Molesy, i understand what youre saying... but if youre fair dinkum you wouldnt make a guy a captain on 15 weeks of footy over 4 years.

You would try and put your decision making in its TRUE context and instead of making decisions on what feels good today... you would want to be choosing the leader who will be tutoring your kids with a player who had character over a period of time and not the immediate future.

Its like how we rushed to re-sign Denis.
We knew there were problems behind the scenes but he won us 10 meaningless games of footy and the Wizzer Cup (which i didnt see as meaningless)we needed the money and the impetus after the ten wins to keep it going)... however it was fools gold!!!...

If we were honest with ourselves the signs were always there....

And if we are honest with ourselves AGAIN.. the signs are there again...

STRONG DRAFT.., a guy with a history of not sustaining professionalism...

And instead of cashing in... we will kick ourselves in a matter of a few months after going for the soft option AGAIN!!!


So im a believer in studying history and you can see your future... so what happened in the past impacts us greatly and were going to drag it into our future because were shit scared as a club to make changes from strength.

We just clutch at straws.

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Lance has been around since 1997 or thereabouts (details details details). That's 10 years of service end 2006, not 4 years. It's an irrelevant point made with regards to the theme of the thread..."when we needed him over the past 4 years ...bla bla bla...irrelevant, past tense, doesn't help...point is it wouldn't have made a difference as there were other more pressing issues than Lance over the last 4 years, despite the fact some are dirty at seeing him at the TAB (good on him, I like those that are human...everyone has a right to have a punt)

If Lance felt the way I did post 2002, I don't blame him for anything, and I expected no more than he delivered. We were goners, and there wasn't much around to salvage anything...oh yeah the big Wizzz...and he starred. How can you blame Whits for that year when we were a one dimensional, two player forwardline? What was the competitors game plan...oh yeah...close down Fev and Whits and there's no winning score from Carlton....What about the other 20 players? Talk about blaming for the sake of blaming. Not relevant to the thread anyway, and there's more to the picture than one individual on the field.

I agree London, he was man enough to speak up and cop it on the chin, and he was responsible enough as a captain should be to speak up to the public and supporters, and be counted. It's a huge turnaround from a Carlton Captain in 2006. Count it for what it is. I appreciate his effort, and I have no doubt we would be worse off without him this year as a player and now as an acting captain...and by 'we' I mean on and off the field worse off without him.

...and as for round 12 pick from Melb in 2005...pigs arse....way off the mark...reality is only that there was some sniffing going on...nothing else!! The proof is in the pudding.

The idea that Whits is tradable is a joke right now. If someone would give us a 1st round or even a second round pick for him...great...it aint gonna happen...so why bother the indulgence. Just bullshit. I see the point but theres no need to die for the privelege of believing it will happen or it if it shouldn't happen...it's just bullshit...get on with the real program...right now, what we've got and what we need....and we are never going to get 3 1st round picks. Incidently, how many first round picks have made Adelaide what it is? West Coast? Collingwood? Sydney?...you can see what I mean. A bird in the hand!!

We've got a young team. It is showing signs. If you can't see them you're blind, if you think we need 7 first round picks to win a final you're limiting your scope.

Back with the program...Whitnall is speaking out.

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Well we took him off the table...thats why we wernt offered anything.

Like we have again.

Lance whitnall aged 28.. with questions marks over his longevity and a chequered past has been taken off the trade table by a club that should be doing everything in its power to rebuild .

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Oh and as for how many first round picks made the clubs you mentioned competitive?
How many leaders do they have like Lance/ Campo/Kouta ????

How can you even compare the plights of the clubs you mentioned with whats been going on at Carlton over the last few years.

Were at ground zero... those clubs have never sunk to our depths.

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I dont think we will trade Lance because we will demand to much for him.
We would want a 1st rounder or a early second rounder at least, and i doubt any team will trade away there 1st rounder in the so called "super draft".........not even the Kangaroos would take him!

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That's precisely my point. If only the kangas would offer us pick 3 or 19 for Lance...that would give us pick 2, 3, 18 20 and 35. Yes I can see the benefit, but it's not going to happen; especially not with the Kangas with their recent experience with retreads in the twilight of their career.

No team, I've mentioned above has sunk to the depths Carlton have and certainly not with so few candidates for a leadership group. But we've got what we've got, and we are what we are and trades aren't likely likely to go our way. We must however acknowledge what London has proposed for this thread. London Blue proposes that Whitnall gives the Carlton Captaincy more credence from his honest and responsible approach to the public, and that it's good to see. I agree. It's fresh, not stale.

IMO, after 10 years service to the club, notwithstanding his effort and AA form so far this year (the now), Whitnall has earned the respect from all Carlton supporters for that alone. He is after all a blue blood Father/Son pick, served 10 years, All Australian, Finals and Grand Finals, has played over 100 games, and has offspring that may become Father/Son selections for Carlton in 15 years time. He hasn't got many years left in him; some suggest 3-4, I reckon 1-2, but really 1 more really good year after this, and I think recruiters know that too.

Can't see him going anywhere but Carlton. It's great he's the acting captain, and I hope he's captain for 2007; at this stage. Well done Whits.

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After the Hay deal & with the draft so strong no club will be trading any first round pick. Anyone traded this year will be for less than they're worth.

Not even for an All Australian CHB and club captain????

What would you get for Judd or Brown???

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