I agreed with the Lions treatment of Nick Riewoldt...I thought the tackle was a beauty - a pity Murph decided to have a body surf.

Murphy was never going to get out of that game in one piece.

Good tackle but you could see what was going to happen.

The tackle was good .. the intent was bullyish.
Cant complain against them.. only about the fact that Murphy got no support.

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He didn't blubber like a baby afterward which shows he's made of stern stuff too

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Some of you are missing the point. Yes, the tackle was fair - that's not being debated here. I don't actuallythink that Copeland did much wrong. It is footy after all.

Who I think DID do something wrong is the Carlton so-called leaders. If you don't want things like Copeland's legal tackles to occur, you make it painful for other teams to even contemplate it. That's waht Brisbane did during those three top years, and that's what we have to learn to do.....again.

The Bulldogs are weak. No-one ran into Cox after Cooney cleaned him up. They're no chance of a premiership.

I wouldn't want you on my team Verbs. You reckon you play the game. You're in your thirties so a senior player. And you're telling me if someone put a hard and legal but bullying tackle on a young kid in your side that you wouldn't remonstrate with the bloke? You don't have to deck him. Just a bit of push and shove - let him know that it's not on. That's just @#$%&! weak and shows what kind of bloke you are to me.

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There wouldn't be any time to play in the League I play in. It would be non-stop pushing and shoving for 30 minutes a quarter.

I cant believe all the rubbish about the tackle. Its unfortunate that Marc has been injured but the tackle was good and the subsequent follow up by Copeland was to be expected. This is the type of aggression that we so badly lack.

What has happend to good old fashioned football where if you lined up on an opppnent and saw his shoulder strapped you gave it a working over to see if you could unsettle him? What has happended to the crunching hits that made your opponent think twice about the next time he went for a contest?

We lack leadership and agression in our side. Sure keep Copeland in our memory banks for a bit of a square up next time, but the way we play at present its not going to happen. As much as I dislike Pickett we sure could use a bloke like him.

Lets hope the our kids have long memories and when our stocks start to rise again they begin the paybacks in earnest.

Different situation...the Cox incident was different and I didnt see players attempting to test Cox's collarbone afterwards....it was bullyboy stuff from Copeland and shades of the Reiwoldt incident...which was disgraceful.

If that was Luke Power taken out you can bet the likes of the Scotts etc would have spent the better part of the game trying to even up with us....I'm not so angry with Copeland ..more the piss poor response from some of our bigger players....it was left to Carrazzo and Simpson to fly the flag...
You have to let your young blokes know they will be looked after if you expect them to keep putting their head over the ball....all good teams especially premiership winning ones have physical players who take on that role....

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The way payments are setup for first and second year players Murphy was in line to get some bonus payments and a higher base rate next year for playing most games this year. Those bonus payments will not happen now.

This injury has cost him thousands of dollars for the rest of 2006 and 2007.

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I logged off last night thinking what a ridiculous thread this was. Good to see some people like moshe & Elwood setting it straight.

We'd love it if our players fairly (it wasn't a free kick, was it?) tackled a player hard into the ground like Copeland did to Marc. There was nothing against the rules with what Copeland did. I reckon that Matthews would have been pleased that Copeland layed such a hard tackle - an ethic that Denis would be trying to instil in the struggling blues.

It seems that here we are bemoaning the fact that we have no hard nuts in our side, yet hating the guts out of Copeland because he represents that very aspect in another club. It's a perspective thing - we'd love it if he was one of ours.

And, the shoulder that Copeland was bumping after the incident was Murphy's RIGHT shoulder - not the shoulder that he dislocated.


For those of you with short memories remember one Peter Dean - and what a dirty prick he could be on the field. And we loved him for it.

The tackle was fine but all week the Lions had been talking up the possibility of hammering Murphy. They are bullies and they can back it up because they have had a core of really tough players, but with Brown injury prone and Voss and the Scott's almost gone, it's time for other sides to bully the bully. Fact is I'd be happy to have a Carlton player smack Copeland next year and get four weeks just to make a statement, problem is, we don't have anyone capable of that.It's times like these I'd be happy to have a solid no frills mongrel ruckman like Charman. You can't recruit just for mongrel, but I wouldn't mind a talent who had a bit of mongrel. At the moment we get bullied to easy. If we had someone who spent the night charging Copeland till he hurt him, then I'd have been happy to put up a grand, a long with 30 or 40 other supporters to pay his wages after our player got four weeks. But we've got no-one who could do that except possibly Teague, who is tough enough but not a mongrel and so slow he'd be lucky to be able to line up a statue.

Gee our decision to swap our #19 draft choice for Craig Devonport in 1996 and then watch as the Saints picked up B Hall with it was a terrific one wasn't it. If we had Hall Copeland would have pulled his head in or had it pulled off. But there is no-one in our side who would scare me, let alone Copeland.

Noone is sayng the tackle was not within the rules.
But if you go back and watch it .. the tackle was not the first.
We didnt block for him.
We didnt support him.

and they knew they could get away with it.
And the next team that does it knows they will definitely get away with it.

The Lions are ruthless.!

Thats a great trait.

were sitting ducks....

Thats not a great trait.

There are very few senior players that understand what they need to do.

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Not that i'm at all impressed with Brisbane sayinb they're gonna target an 18 year old kid in his first season of footy (which i honestly find quite pissweak!) but the Copland tackle was really nothing.

If we are gonna start a hissy fit about tackles like that then this game really is becoming soft as shit!

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Can we get rid of this thread before other clubs see it and label us as a bunch of cry-baby pussies.

Its bad enough that Marc had to drill Copeland himself - with one arm. Next time the opportunity to throw some coin at Byron Pickett pops up, how many of the weak-ass namby-pamby girlie-girls on this board will object?

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Yeah, Lance should definately have left his CHB post to run 150 metres to push a bloke for a fair tackle, and possibly give a free kick away which would then send the ball deep into our defence with no CHB .

Maybe Fev should've left FF or Kouta could've come from the coaches box or Silvagni from the commentary box.

We're sounding more and more like a bad combination of Coillingwood and richmond supporters around here .

Just get on with the @#$%&! game and stop the complaining .

Who is complaining about the tackle... even though it was on purpose.

Complaining about the meekensss of the senior lot.

Also of course Lance isnt going to run 50 meters (not 150) he didnt even run 20 to stay up with Bradshaw.

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I dont' think anybody had a problem with teh tackle. It was a great munch. It was the lack of reaction afterwards. If a kid in my team gets hit like that there will be three or four blokes up straight away in the guys face. bumping, shoving, talking etc. It doesn't happen again.

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That's hilarious!! Another Lance fat joke When will they stop .

I don't remember Dean being a dirty prick at all on the field.

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