Good question AGRO, typical crap journalism....doesn't say and it's not clear what they are talking about...

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In another post I was recently just told that this site survives on newspaper articles

Nothing from Mathieson?? ...Pratt??

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DUC I'm afraid I still disagree. The article is slighly ambiguously worded but what it says is:



The money we "desperately need", and which the AFL is advancing us "the bulk of", is the the $1.5 million that "will enable the Blues to survive an imminent cash-flow crisis".

They're not talking about our debt they're talking about the $1.5m that Smorgon told the world we needed by season's end when he was trying to scare up more members.

The only reference to $6m in that article is a throw away paragraph at the bottom which says that our debt is estimated between $6 and $7 million dollars.

All the article is saying is that they're not giving us the $1.5m, we have to pay it back. It is not saying that the AFL has decided that a more sensible way of dealing with our financial crisis is to consolidate and pay out our debt $6m debt for us, and then have us pay them back under favourable terms (as the Prez seems to have suggested). As I said before, that would be nice, but I think it's a bit of a pipe dream at this stage.

The AFL guarantees our loans from the NAB, like they guarantee the debt of all AFL clubs. Its not like they are doing us a favour by guaranting our debt, they do it for all club borrowings.

This is the only way Banks will lend to AFL clubs now after some bad experiences in the past.

NAB are not concerned about loosing their money, due to the AFL guarantee. Ahmed Fahour is the NAB CEO in any event!

I thought it was the other way around woof?

Or does it work both ways like on Judge Roy Bean

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Blues fate known soon

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HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've never thought of it that way!

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i've said this a million times but i'm sick of hearing people whinge that carlton don't qualify for this financial assistance because of bad management decisions. clubs like western bulldogs, kangaroos, melbourne etc. wouldnt be in the poor state they are in if they hadnt made bad management decisions 50 years ago or a 100 years ago or whenever. its no different to us, its not our board's fault the previous board !@#$%^& us over the new board shouldnt be paying the price for it. we deserve that assistance more than any other team in the comp. we've done everything the AFL has asked us to over the last 4 years and have not argued about one thing, the AFL needs to reward us.

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No the announcement for July 1 will come soon.. its a Bruce Mathieson initiative that will help set this club up financially.
It will be his going away present ..

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i hope that's not july 1 next year.

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Ryan, I look at your post, look at our predicament, look at the truth, look at you post's footnote and look at what we are, and look at what we've learnt from our mistakes. I hope we're bigger and better than what we were at anytime this decade, but one look at your post, and the first thing that comes to my head is that we still haven't learned our lessons.

Ryan wrote


Personally Ryan, I've followed your passion long enough to not believe that you think it wasn't that bad.

Let's get down to the bare facts then move forward.

There's more than your 'surprise' to consider too....have a look at your footnote and what it represents. More of the deflective crap people muster to hide from the reality... it's not Pagan. Where we're at is not due to an unceremonious type of egotististical blame game, and hide and seek game, that exists behind a big fat rock, that people think will hide their own big fat lie.

I'm sick of it. Yeah, bring on the benefactors to get all the ego's straight back on the wall like a line of ducks. There's a reason we need them, and it's to save our souls; and that it has nothing to do with Pagan.

Let it be known that whatever the 'Carlton' bashers muster, they can't win my respect, nor support, because of the mess we have put ourselves in before Pagan was even dreamed of, if they believe it's Pagan's fault. Why? Because with that attitude it will happen again. History has it's way of repeating itself for those with that type of unaccountable attitude. Our dark past is still catching up to us; it's not Pagan, and it's not over. Have a look at all the cliques within the club and you will find that they believe they are bigger than the club, and doing not much for it. They're not for me though.

I'm an egalitarian and belong to noone but everyone that is truly committed to what Carlton has always been; the people's club. I do not get swayed or am pretentious regarding our predicament. Before we were known as the silvertails (how embarassing) we were a working class club, and truly we still are; especially today when we have to roll our sleeves up for some hard yakka.

Do yourself a favour, as a word of advice, get that banner off your post if you really believe Pagan is the blame for everything. I like you but the blame game shits me.

As Thommo of Geelong once said "all of you, all of you..." wake up. No offence to you Ryan or anyone in the blame coup, I love your passion, but we've been in deep shit long before Pagan came along. And if anyone truly believes it's all Pagan's fault, then you're are full of s*it.

Those who profess to love the club, with that sort of respect , are the ones who don't want to refer to the real reasons for why we are where we are. It doesn't bode with me, and as a matter of fact, the TG log accounts for their credibility and that is enough to account for who the hypocrites are. Let Patrick Dicksmith throw the crap at this club; not from within though.

There's more crap to go, the AFL have got us by the short and curlies, and in a way I want us to work our way out of this, rather than have a rich benefactor come in and rescue us with 'their' money, because I don't believe for a minute that this present experience will be a lesson for a more humble approach towards people who are part of the Carlton fabric, and care for the CFC.

Remember this, Carlton members voted in the board and supported the board that got us in this mess, and now we want an easy way out with benefactors and blame everyone else but themselves. If you were a part of preserving a ticket that lasted 2 decades that led us down the gurgler, you are to blame, whether you implicitly, knowingly, or whatever part of it, admit it and live with it. Move forward.

The future success of the CFC is right there before your eyes; they're the kids and the coaches representing us, and we've put them in a very difficult situation, not the other way around.

Sorry it had to be your post Ryan. Still love your passion. I just want the pretence to stop. What we are is what we are, and we are the Carlton Football Club and not the clique party that want to tear us apart to fulfill their own egos.

The current crop are taking us foward and faster than anyone of us could imagine. It has already been said back in 2002, that our fines, draft penalties, impact on the brand...will hurt us for 10 years (before Pagan came along). Get positive, get fairdinkum, the politics of it all implies that the AFL own us, but we're on the rise, and we'll find our feet and flag sooner than later.

Go Blues

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Big call Synbad....
But you can feel the momentum building...slowly, slowly....

Jake Niall...old poor/ambiguous article writer said it....talking about the assistance package and said something along the lines of "everyone agrees Carlton needs assitance as a loan so that if they start winning they'll get back in the black and pay it ack...and gee ..it starting to look like that might not be far away"..

...Yes..some people think one week at a time..but we've been thinking year to year and the good ones are starting to come closer with the bad ones further away!

Let's go Blues boyz

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Greg Lee

That is f*cking brilliant, bondi!

We have to catch up sometime soon at your local, and I'll buy you a beer for that!

Perfectly said, well reasoned, argued, the whole kit and kaboodle!

Bondiblue for Carlton board!

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yep its that type of attitude thats gonna pull us out of the shyt we're in, if only everyone thought like that, then little things like and this is only 1 thing pagan wouldnt have any pressure on him and would have the balls to play the young kids AND give them some game time, knowing he wont cop it left, right and centre for losing the game because people understand that what he's doing is for the benefit of our club and take us back to the top.

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Seconded. Fantastic work Bondi.

Synbad keeps hanging out for a Bruce Mathieson salvage package.Well,we all know that Bruce is a sentimental bloke and it could be on the cards.

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I know about 50 people who've rolled up their sleeves....!

There's definitely mor ein the pipeline. There's more good news to come. Speaking with the limited contacts I have, there's 1 more big thing to be announced, whatever that may be. If it is a benefactor's hand, then you would delay it until after any AFL announcement is made, surely. Why would you risk a handout in one hand for another? I'd be as secretive as possible, and I think those that know are being very secretive about it.

true blue wrote


After all that we've been through since 2002, the bad media, followed by the bad media... I hate the way the Bumbers and Sheedy have got off so easily. They've dropped off and noone saw it coming. Not the media, not Sheedy, and generally not from the hype. This result of the Bumbers in 2006 is a disaster.

Fair enough, they've got Lloyd and Hird out, but in 2002 we had 16 injuries, and by year's end, half a dozen retired.

They've added big old names in Heffernan and Campoeale; premiership players, finals players. What sort of message is that? Sheedy's told us and Campo that they're playing for finals in 2006. They have been on the bottom of the ladder for the majority of the season. This is an embarassment. And they're get away with it.

And here we are with sack Pagan banners, when we should be saying what the **** is Sheedy doing with the Bumbers. If we did that instead of attacking our own, it would deflect bad news stories from us to them, and maybe whilst their brand is being tarnished, we could win over some of their sponsors, or at the very least have a better position attracting sponsors both clubs are vying for.

This aint no party, this aint no disco, this aint no foolin around. We're rebuilding and that is that. Onfield and off field. The Bumbers adoplted a 'youth'policy after round 8. The wheels fell off. Sheedy didn't even now that he was never ever close to getting the Bumbers in the 8. He's lost the plot. Bumbers have lost 13 in a row, and next week they will break their previos record. Pagan's been given the go ahead with a youth policy from the new President. I'm happy to see all our youthful potential unveiled before me; it's fantastic.

I am chuffed though, that a benefactor, or coterie group, and even the AFL are interested in helping/ supporting us through this difficult period. All their help will really give us a leg up to fast track our progress to the 17th Flag.

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