In fairness to Pagan losing Waite and Fisher and needing Lance down back has reduced our forward options. I don't criticise him as much now as the side is very young but I worry about the development of the younger players.

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supporters wouldnt be so harsh on him if he played the kids (with good game time and in their proper positions) and gave us hope for the future.

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Ok were coaching for the future... right?
so why would we not try Kennedy back on Ottens or McCarthey to see if he can play that role against the very tall forwards seeing there is a guy similar to Kennedy in the draft in Gumbleton??

Then we might be able to play Lance at CHF and see how opening up another avenue with Arch and Fev up forward would go for our midfield???

What you might develop is more confidence for the midfield to go forward via another avenue...
You might take a better look at Kennedy.. rather than having him on and off...
the other thing you might do is go on the front foot tactically.... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... too imaginative....

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Mirthful, roguish....doesn't matter. We've had some healthy debate you and I over the last couple o days. Did you say "Not negative"....what about my poor old Prendergast argument....shot down...dismissed...just being jaunty Molsey. Both Bryan and Prenders (again) showed something today in the VFL it seems. But so did a number of kids.

Your philosophy to play the kids and stop the second chance philosophy has merit...and I'm convinced of that. But we should be careful what we consider as chances. For eg Bannister and Wiggins, did they have previous chances?. I'm not a fan of the Wiggo, he's not the future for me either, but you've gotta appreciate the improvement he's shown.

Well it's all about the kids. Future=Kids.

That's all Pagan has got to work with, the kids, and they do need a lot of work. As Sinners says we need a bit of everything atm. Fortunately, the group of kids today are lightyears ahead of the kids in 2002, and there is light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't really know enough about what Pagan does behind closed doors, but I'm sure he is doing as much, if not more, than other coaches would have/ could; Neil Craig aside. Everyone at the club, however, has to take the next step though and improve.

I can't wait for the kids to start demanding the ball and commanding respect of their opponents. But as I said they need alot of work.

Why are we one dimensional? I don't know. Maybe because only Fevola can do what it takes. But what I do know is that Pagan will have his work cut out, making these kids bigger, stronger, faster, and I don't think he's the man to do that. We need specialist conditioning coaches to fast track physical development. Plural. We have too many kids for just a couple of good coaches.

Adjustment to the tempo of AFL comes natural for Murphy, but as for the others, we have to expose the kids to this level of footy as much as possible, if they/we are going to find out if they're going to step up. My bet is a lot of them will next year and the year after that.

Goodonya.

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Chris Johnson spoke about how their fitness guy from the past Craig Starcevich left and how their new bole has come in and refreshed them all.
He has introduced new drills.. a new training regime and new methods and theyre all responding to the change.
He didnt say it was better or worse.. just different.

Whats been different about how we go about things???

I know... the training days and times are different.....


Pagan doesnt change anything.. cos thats how he did things at Yarraville.

And yes im having a big shot at Pagan now.. cos in my opinion whatever he did (and yes i was a believer) just isnt working.

If he was working for me and his results were what they are.. id just have to let him go!!!

thats how life is....

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Maybe because Kennedy is a CHF? We've already turned Livo who was apparently one of the better u18 forwards in the country when he was drafted into an ordinary defender so let's play players in their best positions?

You obviously think that Gumbleton is a better CHF prospect than Kennedy? Kennedy didn't dominate but still kicked 2 goals yesterday and took a great pack mark at the end. If he's going to play at least play him where he is comfortable instead of throwing him into a completely foreign position where he has probably never played before.

I understand what you are saying in general and the idea might be right but you can't blame them for not moving someone like Kennedy back!

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Where did i say i think Gumbleton is better than Kennedy????

Why cant you blame Pagan for not trying Kennedy at CHB on a couple of blokes that arent that good???...

when you buy a car dont you sneak it out to an open road to see what it can do?????

Just cos the manual says dont drive it faster than 120 .. doesnt mean you dont want to see what you have in your hot little hands.....

Why wouldnt you want to change the DYNAMICS of your football side and see how the midfield will respond to having Lance in the forward line too.. maybe theyre conservative looking for other options cos they dont have faith in Kennedy yet???

dont you want to know what moving something something else does to the dynamics of your developing team at a time youre rebuilding for the future??

dont you want to know if there is any chance you can fit Gumbleton in the same side as Kennedy????
what are you CRAZY??????

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Yeah I'd like to see that. It should be part of the rebuilding philosophy.

Gumbleton would make a really good CHB, but hey how are we to know that Kennedy would make a better one if we don't try.

Personally, I don't think he's made for it, but then again, personally, I don't know what he'll do.

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didn't he go back last week?

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I think everyone went back last week, with the exception being Fevola; he went out on a wing.

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When this bunch of youngsters has developed into a great team, under a new coach, I wonder how much credit Pagan's gonna get?

I dont know but watching carlton over and over again....and considering we have possible the youngest list in the competition...maybe just maybe we should hire a skills coach because obviously the tactical geniuses we have of a coaching panel arent getting thru to them..so lets teach them at least the basics...and that is how to hit someone on the chest, mark a ball when its coming to you(maybe deluca can help in that regard), handball to a person on the run instead of standing still ....but then again thats just asking for too much as what Pagan, elshuag,Libba and Mitchell provide is so inspiring for the future of our once great club...

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Good points as usual.

I was thinking about your earlier point about leaders. In my experience of playing footy - your leaders are usually the big centre half-forwards or the ruckmen...

Lance to Centre half-forward is at least getting a leader into a prime position.


a leader can put the fear of god into the opposition - and usually when i played footy it was the ruckman that one looked up to. Chris Bryan is big and solid and with his kicking - he can put fear into the opposition.


McLaren and French don't have good kicks relatively. surely bryan deserves a go?

I'd like to see Bryan played for a few games.....why not?

He did some good work yesterday; and he's such a magnificent kick.

What a shock for an opposition team to have Bryan kicking 60-65 metres from the goalsquare instead of pissfarting around kicking to each other in the pockets?

Wouldn't this be an attacking move? ......it might even become fashionable again....who knows?

Seriously, do you really care StrangeBlue?
We're all here for success as a football club. It's not about individuals getting a pat on the back.

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Holy Moly ... I agree with Synbad, especially the bolded bit. The world has gone mad.

Bloody Pagan is like a rabbit in headlights.

he doesnt back the playing group nor does he try anything new.

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Why put Kennedy to CHB?

Talk about trying to make a defender out of someone? Kennedy is one of the true marking options we have, recruited for a certain spot, and you want to put him back? God.. .thats up there with the Waite for CHB one, even worse.

What is the romantic idea behind throwing forwards back?

Stephen Silvagni

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