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so Sydney promote a rookie but we...we the mighty blues...we are so strong our rookies have yet to show what it takes.....what does it take....an inability to kick the needed goal? Passes that hit the opposition on the chest? Just what exactly?

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Sydney - who have played a grand total of 25 players this year off their entire list - have decided that they can activate a rookie but we can't? Too good for us is it Denis? Seriously - i've been pretty quiet on this but if we don't promote a rookie for next weeks game vs the scum then you've lost me.

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I just miss the old carlton that used to take the bull by the horns rather than being dragged along by its tail

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I just miss the old carlton that used to take the bull by the horns rather than being dragged along by its tail

don't we all

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For flowers sake it is simple, Action Jackson and Freddy need to send Mrs D flowers and Mr D an early fathers day present, followed up by banging on his door to ask if they can mow Mr D lawns (not Mrs D you filthy minded people).

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bullshit!

I don't understand this attitude - I mean just what are we playing for this year? Surely the main objective for us as a club now is list development/management. Play the kids and see what we've got. I mean the club must have a good idea of who they will delist, then do not play those players again this year!


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I want get on my hobby horse again but the lack of a clear and concise direction is the most frustrating aspect.
What exactly is Denis trying to achieve out of 2006?

I personally wont bag Denis if he performs his job well and the team lose. As long as there is a strong, CONSISTENT development process in place, I'm happy.
Unfortunately, as soon as we show signs of a constant direction, the rudder gets the wobbles.

Articles like this just throw mud into the clearing waters. (insert @#$%&! frustrated face here:)

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Leave Denis alone!!!.. All of you!!!

He has 2 and a half more years of this...

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Perhaps Sydney feel Phillips really is ready and ahead of some of the other players on their list.

I think people are going overboard here a little in wanting the rookies promoted. I'd be more than happy to see it happen, but Flint and Jackson will definitely be with us next season, either on the main list or as rookies. Batson probably isn't going to make it, Aisake has a year to run on the rookie list. The only one who really needs the chance is Smith and I'd suggest the decision has probably been made one way or the other on him.

Let's hope we see something soon, but they're still getting their chance to impress with the Bullants....maybe more so than if they were promoted.

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I actually think Dennis' explanation is quite reasonable...

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 62,00.html

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"You've got to get a balance, a good mix. I reckon the best criteria for knowing when young players are ready to play senior football is to go and have a look at them at VFL level," he said.

"When they're smashing the door down two or three weeks in a row, you get a fair idea they're ready for senior AFL football.

"They really should be able to enjoy their first year, their apprenticeship year. If they're good enough, they'll tell you.

"The reality is it takes two or three years -- unless you're really outstanding -- to establish yourself.

"I can assure every time we go out we want to do our best.

"We pick the best possible side and if that means having young blokes in the side, we do it. But you can't rush development, it takes its own time."


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Blue Vain wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
bullshit!

I don't understand this attitude - I mean just what are we playing for this year? Surely the main objective for us as a club now is list development/management. Play the kids and see what we've got. I mean the club must have a good idea of who they will delist, then do not play those players again this year!


8)

I want get on my hobby horse again but the lack of a clear and concise direction is the most frustrating aspect.
What exactly is Denis trying to achieve out of 2006?

I personally wont bag Denis if he performs his job well and the team lose. As long as there is a strong, CONSISTENT development process in place, I'm happy.
Unfortunately, as soon as we show signs of a constant direction, the rudder gets the wobbles.

Articles like this just throw mud into the clearing waters. (insert F@%&#! frustrated face here:)


It is becoming more and more obvious that my friend Denis is looking for that Golden Handshake- He is looking for that tap on the shoulder and to here the words

"Here Denis here is $1.5mill go away and leave us alone will you"

I cant believe there is a person with in the club who isn't questioning his logic and isn't white anting him.

Where is Carltons Peter Costello

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"We pick the best possible side and if that means having young blokes in the side, we do it. But you can't rush development, it takes its own time."


Otherwise known as the Kade Simpson principle of development

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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"We pick the best possible side and if that means having young blokes in the side, we do it. But you can't rush development, it takes its own time."


Otherwise known as the Kade Simpson principle of development


Who says you have to hold all players back like we did with Kade?

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Effes wrote:
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"We pick the best possible side and if that means having young blokes in the side, we do it. But you can't rush development, it takes its own time."


Otherwise known as the Kade Simpson principle of development


Who says you have to hold all players back like we did with Kade?


And who says Kade benefitted by being held back?
But, we've been through that before. :wink:

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dannyboy wrote:
bullshit!

I don't understand this attitude - I mean just what are we playing for this year? Surely the main objective for us as a club now is list development/management. Play the kids and see what we've got. I mean the club must have a good idea of who they will delist, then do not play those players again this year!


Agree...We had Smorgan embracing youth when he took over and directing Denis to do the same yet we are procrastinating over promoting a rookie which seems to be a simple move for most other clubs...cant believe its a money issue either...by trialing a player and seeing if he can cut it you could be saving yourself money down the track if he shows nothing...its an investment...
On one hand we have DP saying we cant give up on 24-25 year olds yet he has left Bryan to rot in the Bullants all year....

Find the money for the Golden handshake and make it quick.....Sydney Blue is right....get rid of this idiot and his two incapable assistants...

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I understand Denis's need to do it his way but I think the club should be saying, sorry Denis, we'll do it our way. Can Jackson be less ready than Sporn? Can Batson get less touches than Mclaren? Yet here we are desperate to rush Skinny back - why? Or Fish - Why? What do we want out of this year?

I know what I want - a sighter of the kids. Not really worried if Jackson gets a game or two and goes kickless - so @#$%&! what. I'd rather that than Chambers gets a game or two. or Fish comes back and reinjures himself etc.

Play the damn kids, relax them, tell them to run out in the navy blue and enjoy the adventure - it cannot be too @#$%&! hard to do!

This club - not Denis, this whole club is just piss weak! Accept for God's sake we are so @#$%&! last it isn't funny and then set about rectifying it, not finding cardboard cutout pretences that things are fine. Embrace the situation and move forward!

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We don't know the full story so it is hard to tell but just possibly we can't afford to promote any of the rookies until after we get the guarantee from the AFL in writing. If as hinted we need the money to survive until the end of the year then perhaps we don't have the surplus for an unbudgetted $20-60,000 to promote 3 rookies.

In the meantime the coach has to put a brave face on it and give some excuse to the supporters. Don't need another bad story about the Blues.


I think this is actually pretty close to the situation Amazon. All the talk of Dennis not doing this and Dennis not doing that, it'll be interesting once the AFL guarrantee appears that all of a sudden 3 rookies appear on the senior list. The company line would be to maintain an appearance of strength whilst pushing our current rookies to keep performing.

Think about how long Dennis Pagan (and assistants) have been around Football. Contary to what many here might believe - they're not stupid. There's a reason for everything, we're (the public) just not being told.

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amazonstud wrote:
We don't know the full story so it is hard to tell but just possibly we can't afford to promote any of the rookies until after we get the guarantee from the AFL in writing. If as hinted we need the money to survive until the end of the year then perhaps we don't have the surplus for an unbudgetted $20-60,000 to promote 3 rookies.

In the meantime the coach has to put a brave face on it and give some excuse to the supporters. Don't need another bad story about the Blues.


I think this is actually pretty close to the situation Amazon. All the talk of Dennis not doing this and Dennis not doing that, it'll be interesting once the AFL guarrantee appears that all of a sudden 3 rookies appear on the senior list. The company line would be to maintain an appearance of strength whilst pushing our current rookies to keep performing.

Think about how long Dennis Pagan (and assistants) have been around Football. Contary to what many here might believe - they're not stupid. There's a reason for everything, we're (the public) just not being told.


How good would this be?
Denis, Lance, Stevo and Kouta and whoever else hold a press conference today.
They come out and say we have taken a combined $100k pay cut for the remainder of the year so the club can afford to promote these rookies? We are making a sacrifice on behalf of the club to show our support to the loyal members who have supported us during this difficult period.
That is what I would call leadership.


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spf wrote:
amazonstud wrote:
We don't know the full story so it is hard to tell but just possibly we can't afford to promote any of the rookies until after we get the guarantee from the AFL in writing. If as hinted we need the money to survive until the end of the year then perhaps we don't have the surplus for an unbudgetted $20-60,000 to promote 3 rookies.

In the meantime the coach has to put a brave face on it and give some excuse to the supporters. Don't need another bad story about the Blues.


I think this is actually pretty close to the situation Amazon. All the talk of Dennis not doing this and Dennis not doing that, it'll be interesting once the AFL guarrantee appears that all of a sudden 3 rookies appear on the senior list. The company line would be to maintain an appearance of strength whilst pushing our current rookies to keep performing.

Think about how long Dennis Pagan (and assistants) have been around Football. Contary to what many here might believe - they're not stupid. There's a reason for everything, we're (the public) just not being told.


A guaranteed "LOAN" is the talk, so promoting a rookie won't impact on that I would of thought considering we have to pay them back.

Its only $20k for Jackson, FFS the board can dip into their own pocket and pay the money.

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How good would this be?
Denis, Lance, Stevo and Kouta and whoever else hold a press conference today.
They come out and say we have taken a combined $100k pay cut for the remainder of the year so the club can afford to promote these rookies? We are making a sacrifice on behalf of the club to show our support to the loyal members who have supported us during this difficult period.
That is what I would call leadership.


*splutter*

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