Fish probably back this week

bax · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:06 pm

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

london blue wrote:

KK - intestinal fortitude? :roll:

I always get blown away how most of us bench warmers challenge a guy like Wiggins (who has busted a gut to play AFL football), on whether he has the intestinal fortitude!?

Question him on his talent if appropriate, but i bow to his efforts to get to the level he has. Wiggins has most likely got more...what was it called?......intestinal fortitude......than the majority of the benchwarming cyberspace community. :wink:

The example I was trying to compare Wiggins to is Fev.

It took Fev a couple of seasons to not only harness his abilities, which we have only seen this year, and in all-too-brief flashes since New Years Eve 1999/2000.

It took guts courage and hard work for Fevola to realise that he needed to get his head right before his skills would go to a new, higher, level.

I think Wiggins faces a similar challenge.

If Wiggins "fails" at the highest level of footy, it won't be because he wasn't given the chance, nor that his skills weren't up to it, but because he failed to challenge himself enough to get the most out of his skills and abilities. Let's face it, most of us would give our left nuts to have half the skills this kid does.

And for his to challenge himself, it will take G&D, or, as I put it earlier, intestinal fortitude.

We all face challenges. I'm facing mine. Wiggins has to face his own.

You cant compare Wiggins to Fev.

Fev has always had the tools to be what he is today. The application just wasn't always right.

Wiggins has always had it the other way around. He tries hard... but he just doesn't have the tools. That line about his skills is a joke right? I cringe every time I see him in the team or get near the ball. So he's had some good games BIG DEAL. He's been there six seasons and really done stuff all. People are really looking at Wiggins ( add Carrozzo also ) through rose coloured glasses if they think they are the future.

Welcome back Fish. Waite and and maybeJackson a week later.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

I don't mind being wrong about Wiggo.

Surely he has something there? But if he's busting a gut just to get to where he is, and can give no more, then I applaud him for that.

I guess I read him wrong, and those closer to the action, so to speak, see more of the true Wiggins than I could possibly hope to.

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

I just wish that Wiggins would stop flying for marks in the F50 and acheiving nothing except spoiling his team mates who are in better position than him. Eyes on the ball is an admirable trait ... to a point. But Wiggo has one of the worst cases of tunnel vision I've ever seen.

KERMIT · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:31 pm

I had the pleasure of attending last night also.

Just to clarify what Pagan said Fisher will be back but not in the 1sts. Will need at least 1 week with the Ants. He made the comparison to the Dogs and how well they had coped with thier injuries and stated that in time we would also have some mature heads.

Sat next to Dylan at dinner. Great guy, really genuine and alway greated fans who came to the table for an autograph with a smile. Said he would be playing in the two's thi week so I wouldn't be so sure on Byran just yet.

Two points on the down side, Libba was there all night but couldn't wait to get out of there (heard him making some excuse as to why he had to go). And Kouta arrived late and left without staying for the dinner. Says a lot to me.

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:45 pm

Kouta is doing extra work on his hand so he can return to playing footy as soon as possible.... thats why he came later and left early for a club function...

simonverbeek · **Joined:** Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:38 pm **Posts:** 762

I was there too!!! Great night. Don't tell anyone, but I took my girlfriend's brother's spot, he was invited through his business, but he's not that interested in footy (hanging around studying in public hospitals all day isn't classy enough to get me invited!).

I got changed in Sticks' locker which was a great thrill (funny what gets us die hards going, hey). Then I thought of who wears that great number now, and I was...sad.

Club did it pretty well. No senior players at all, but they do have families to get home to I guess. Mostly rookies and very young players.

WOuld have loved to meet up with some TC posters but I didn;t ask anyone! I was in the group that was with Heath Scotland first then doing lane work second (How good was lanework with Walker!!! I was too scared to ask him about his kicking though.)

Being back at PP made me miss it.

Being in the rooms was a weird feeling - you look at the great names all over the lockers and the guernseys above them (there are SO MANY great names) and then you think of our current list and you just feel so 'exiled'. Hopefully some of the young kids can emulate the great names.

It was nice how they signed jumpers for us at the end. There was a time when I would've gotten every signature, but there were a lot of players that won;t make it for us - so I just got the signature of one player who I think will - J. Kennedy. Pull through for me JFK, for us.

BrizzyBlue · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:26 am

According to this report in the Age, Pago Pago says Fish will play 1st's:

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 41862.html

KERMIT · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:35 am

Simonverbek - I started in that group as well. The lane drill was good but I loved the goal kicking with Byran and Josh Kennedy.

Saw the report and I stand corrected. My interpretation was that he would be back playing this week but not in the firsts. Hope they dont rush him back.

kernafides · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:59 am **Posts:** 173

My interpretation was firsts but I guess we'll see.

I sat next to Bryan and Wiggo for dinner and Bryan didn;t sound too upbeat about his chances but perhaps he was putting on a show.

Couldn;t beleive Wiggos sense of humour. I always pictured him as a bit of a nerd but he seems to be the club funny man..the opera singing on the ground, telling my girlfriend he is in his third year of rocket science and then told the crowd that he had recently started a pet grooming business but only massaging small animals at the moment :shock:

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Wiggo should get another year next year I reckon ...plays an important part within the playing group ....much like the rhino used to I suppose.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:04 am

Very dry Synbad.

kernafides, when you were speaking to the Wiggler did he mention anything about Elroy coughing up for the beers he owes everyone? :lol:

Thanks for the report, you too Kermie.

kernafides · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:59 am **Posts:** 173

As a matter of fact Camel he did...he said he goes to the Locker room after every TD game and waits for Elroy to show up.....along with 400 other TCers.......alas they all remain very thirsty

Wild Blue Yonder · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:39 am

What I don't comprehend, is that if Fisher is the young guy we need to provide another option up forward as a decoy to Fev, what was Kennedy doing on the bench for some much of the last few games?

I'll go out on a limb here: I think Kennedy is actually a better forward than Fish - and I like the Fish.

Maybe contradictions just confuse me easily.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

I would rest Fisher...no need to rush him back, we know he can play and will be there next year. He is injury prone and I dont see the point of rushing him back.....give Kennedy a full game and give the Irishman a run up forward..
Same deal with Waite....run them in the Bullants for a half a game each first and ease them back in to the team..

KERMIT · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:50 am

I'm with you Elwood and that is the way I intrepreted Pagan's comments in the rooms on Tuesday night.

One other thing Dylan said to me was that the he thought that the club was very close to promoting a rockie and if I recall correctly the two names he floated were Flint and Jackson.

Also I asked him specifically about his thoughts on Batson. Without wishing to place him in a difficult position it is fair to say that his impressions were that he needed to get much more agressive. He also said that once a week he took ruck exercises and invited him to attend but that he wasn't interested in joining in. The two Irish boys, on the other hand were very willing participants! Based on my conversation with him I have to say it is bye bye Batson.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:08 pm

kernafides wrote:

As a matter of fact Camel he did...he said he goes to the Locker room after every TD game and waits for Elroy to show up.....along with 400 other TCers.......alas they all remain very thirsty

Haha, that's excellent! :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:12 pm

Wild Blue Yonder wrote:

What I don't comprehend, is that if Fisher is the young guy we need to provide another option up forward as a decoy to Fev, what was Kennedy doing on the bench for some much of the last few games?

I'll go out on a limb here: I think Kennedy is actually a better forward than Fish - and I like the Fish.

Maybe contradictions just confuse me easily.

I think the Monk will be a better target type player (ie, bomb it long to Kennedy) but the Fish will be the classic third tall option able to sneak under the radar because options 1 and 2 will demand the opposition's best defenders. In an odd, and not meaning to be offensive kind of way, it is Fisher's averageness that is his best attribute (ie, his height and build). But because he is such a good competitor in pack marking situations, he will alwyas cause problems and be a good option for us up front. Fish reads the flight of the ball better than anyone else at the club I reckon.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:46 pm

Why the desperation in rushing the kid back?

Not sure what we are aiming for by rushing him back.

The article that Garry Lyon had in the Herald Sun about the Scum tanking was an interesting one because it would be safe to say that Garry believes that we belong on the bottom more than they do given the quality of their senior players.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:56 pm

John Howard's credibility as a Socceroos fan > Gary Lyon's opinion

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:30 pm

Gary Lyon's opinion > Kim Beazley's chances of being PM

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