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Interesting to see Lappin start well in the first qtr then get hardly any game time in the 2nd qtr :?

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jim wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
If we use the AFL money to pay out Pagan, then not only have we truly become the new St Kilda, the chances of us ever getting any "head office" assistance in the future becomes less than zero.

To use that money for that reason is mismanagement on a scale even JE would cringe at.

Just as we have to make do with the talent we have on the list at the moment, we also have to make do with the Coaching staff, if indeed they aren't the right people for the job at the moment.

Fact 1: We don't have Wells or Goddard*. Get the f*ck over that.

Fact 2: Pagan has a rock-solid contract with Carlton. Get over it.























Goddard's a lumbering inept player anyway. Who cares that he can kick the ball long if he does SFA for 99% of the match. Anyway that's an argument for another thread.
Maybe if Kouta retires we can use the money we save from his contract to pay out Pagan!!!! Be about the same and we wouldn't lose anything compared to this year. Seriously I'm sure he can be paid out over a few years. At the worst we can pay him over the term of his contract. Can't have this go on for another 2 years, we'd have no members left by then! We win less games each year. It's probable going it's to be less than last year and anywhere between 6-8 less than 2 years ago. Enough for me. Drag us through the street broke for all I care, just get rid of him. Have to be financially better off in the long-term. We lost the equivalent fo what we owe Pagan for the next 2 years in lost membership this year and with some re-newed optimism we may get that all back next year. That would cover us.


i dont know if i'm right but i dont think it would work out the way you're saying because we have to pat a minimum of 92% of our salary cap so if we dont pay kouta weg otta make up that money on other players. like i said, i'm not sure if that's right.

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Interesting to see Lappin start well in the first qtr then get hardly any game time in the 2nd qtr :?


:?: Had 2 touches in the first Q. Seemed like he was on for about a minute at one stage & then got taken off straight away. 7 possessions all up & no real impact (but someone had even less impact who we might never see again).


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IMO he was presenting well as a HFF in the first qtr.

Stats aren't everything :wink:

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Effes wrote:
IMO he was presenting well as a HFF in the first qtr.

Stats aren't everything :wink:


Then why did they take him off?

Stevens got 32 touches & didn't get benched at all I think so he must have played well. :roll: :lol: :wink:


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(but someone had even less impact who we might never see again).[/quote]

we can only hope.


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Stevens played the worst 32 possession game today I have ever seen.


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klaatu wrote:
"I have it on good authority that Carlton had a meeting last week to discuss our inability to win. Apparently Pagan gathered the players around and asked for their opinions and, in front of all the players, Matthew Lappin said that although Pagan had been there four years, he was still uncertain as to what style of game the coach wanted him to play. They tell me you could have heard a pin drop. Pagan took Lappin aside after that and, surpisingly, he didn’t play last week, but is back this week."


Agghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ........


The sky is falling,
The sky is falling,
The sky is falling,
The sky is falling........

Did I do that correctly??!!

Scheee .... that rumor had to come from the mushroom farm !!!! :roll:


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keogh wrote:
Stevens played the worst 32 possession game today I have ever seen.


Are you serious?? :!: :!:


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Effes wrote:
IMO he was presenting well as a HFF in the first qtr.

Stats aren't everything :wink:


So how come your votes correspond to the stats leaders? :wink:


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I love that sound...you know, the old pin dropping, followed by some..............................

I've been hearing it a lot these past few nights.

I empathise with Lappin. We are the same build, afterall.

SKINNY!!!!


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BlueWorld wrote:
Effes wrote:
IMO he was presenting well as a HFF in the first qtr.

Stats aren't everything :wink:


So how come your votes correspond to the stats leaders? :wink:


Coincidence? :wink:

Cooney had little influence
Eagleton had little influence
Kennedy was not a stat leader :P

Should I retract my vote for Houla? :wink:

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Effes wrote:
BlueWorld wrote:
Effes wrote:
IMO he was presenting well as a HFF in the first qtr.

Stats aren't everything :wink:


So how come your votes correspond to the stats leaders? :wink:


Coincidence? :wink:

Cooney had little influence
Eagleton had little influence
Kennedy was not a stat leader :P

Should I retract my vote for Houla? :wink:


No that was a good choice!!! Must be coincidence. We'll see what I come up with when I watch the replay but I think they'll be a bit different. :wink:


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Pagan has a history of not getting on with players. This rumour is entirely probable.


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so what?

as Archer said on radio this morning 90% (he first said all players) bitch and complain about coaches.

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Oh yes, the rumour has really grown legs over the last few weeks. Skinny came back into the side to show that he was truly unaffected by injury*. In fact, he was so clearly in tip top condition against the Doggies that he outran them, jumped around like a mexican jumping bean, and scored at will. The amazing stats that he compiled have really exposed the hatred that Pagan developed for him over that terrible comment that silenced a whole team of rowdy footballers. And to top it all off, he was omitted this week. That could only be an act of revenge by nasty Pagan. After all, just look at the astounded comments from our fellow posters.

*Of course, there is always the possibility that Skinny tanked to teach Pagan a lesson when he returned to the side. Because that would be a really smart thing to do. Give the coach the opportunity to dump you to the 2nds while everybody applauds the decision. Even for an AFL footballer, that would be incredibly stupid.


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I am amazed that it is so easy to suck people in. A bloke who hasn't posted before, and therefore has no track history to establish his reliability, says he heard a rumour. And everybody jumps on it. That poster hasn't posted since. Presumably, he is sitting back laughing at everybody's stupidity.

And worse, when events really haven't supported the rumour, there are still people about who say it is possible. Well, strangely enough, if you are trying to make up a rumour to suck people in, you try to make it plausible. No point creating a rumour that Pagan is too soft on the players and they are taking advantage of him.

But it seems that Pavlov's dog had far more analytical ability than the posters here. You just have to whistle around here to make everybody roll over and beg. Just say you heard of some whacky scenario involving Pagan, and watch the posts roll in.

Maybe I'm not giving people enough credit. Maybe people know it is likely that these rumours are hogwash, but they just want another opportunity to sound off anyway.

But maybe we should live by the sort of standard that we expect of the press - it isn't true until you can corroborate it via a reliable source.


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I heard a rumour about SOS....

that he's right.

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Wasn't 'klaatu' the band in the late 70s that was supposed to pseudonym for "The Beatles" who were getting back together and they released an album under the 'klaatu' name, apparently it was all BULLSHIT and a publicity stunt by 'klaatu' who were trying to pump up sales of their album. Maybe where this poster gets his ideas from as well. :wink:

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Who the bloody hell knows what's going on down at Carlton!!

It's the most secretive club in the league.

On the rare occasion they'll come out of the bunker to feed the chooks a few of the same old scraps and them scurry back inside and get back to who knows what.

It's hard to make judgements on club issues when you get almost zero information of what the actual state of play really is at the club.

We've been shit for 5 years and no-one knows what's really gonna happen next.

Until supporters get an idea of what's really going on behind the scenes with the coach and his players, with the Footy department & the coach, with the Board & the footy dept., and the Board & the AFL, they'll continue to grasp any information available and go with it.

What other alternative is there? The "trust us she'll be right" approach. Yeah right!!! :roll:

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