Couldn't see Ratts taking up a coaching role under Pagan.
However, he will most likely coach Norwood in the EFL to the premiership, so obviously he can coach.

Hickie and Kenny Sheldon are interesting choices.

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Pickle, Collins wasn't scared of Pagan - if anything it was the other way around. That's my understanding anyway

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Ok well that's good to hear. It used to annoy me though that Pagan would say "it's not the coaches, it's the players" and that seemed to be the end of the discussion. I just hope the discussion lasts a bit longer this time!

According to the article Pagans contract includes him having the choice of one assistant based on that....reckon Libba might be looking for a new job as I dont see him cutting Trout loose.
Someone earlier made the comment that Mitchell and Denis were not exactly buddies....reading between the lines in that article there may be some truth to that...Pagan wasnt offering Mitchell the same support if what is written is true and Denis must be looking over his shoulder .

The board do need to make stand and stay strong but it amused me to read its more about beeing seen to be doing something..anything....lets have some more conviction than that....

Pagan seems finished and lacking support and the board are equally unimpressive and looking for diversions to take the heat of them.....
I think Pagan needs to show some integrity and maybe resign subject to a payout being worked out..its not in the interest of our young players to let this farcical situation continue.....

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You could hire Voss, Ratten or Malcolm Blight but it wont make an ounce of difference.
If Pagan is unwilling to utilise his assistants, they are dress shop dummies.

Does anyone really believe Daniher or Dempsey offer anything on match day? They are training assistants with a limited role.
Pagan and trout run the show and that wont change until the partnership is broken.

What happens if the board tell Pagan that Trout is out the door?
Perhaps they are breaking the terms of his contract. who cares?
If he doesnt accept it, he can use it as an out and walk.

For 700k a year, he's going nowhere.

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Are we able to pay him out though?

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While his contract is in place and Elshaugh his chosen one it would seem impossible to pay them out....Pagan should resign but at 700K a year we obviously dont have the money unless a Richard Pratt or Bruce Mathieson can help us out..The AFL didnt give us 1.5 mill to waste on Pagan so it appears its an impasse with no solution....not sure if the club can handle two more seasons of this.....

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I know

I wonder what Mike Sheehans user name is

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Yeah great point BV. So true!

If anything, adding in another assistant is probably just gonna create more tension and 'Bullshit' that will no doubt be echoed on the field, unless Denis & his 'mate' can realise that another assistant doesn't have to be a threat - it can be a blessing!

But what do i know.................i just make shit up!

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If we can't pay Pagan, demote HIM to assistant, even on his pay packet, covering the legals, and make Barry Mitchell the coach. Bet he doesn't hang around long then. Be one way of getting rid of him, without having to pay him out.

Just an amusing thought from left field.

What about the guys that signed up Pagan last year??
They seemed to have avoided all types of criticism for such a terrible mistake. Wasn’t sticks part of the group that recommended that he be re-signed??

I believe that's called managing someone out of an organisation. If the club really wants to get rid of Pagan, that's what they should be trying to do. It all depends on how good Pagan's lawyers were when the contract was drawn up though.

Re Daniher and Dempsey, they are part time assistants and from my limited visits to training etc I think they have both been good value. I think Aisake's ruck technique is excellent and I credit GD with that, and TD at least adds a bit of spark to the place and seems to connect with the players in a way that the others don't. The problem is that if you take ultimate power away from the head coach then you might as well get rid of him. If DP stays he has to have ultimate control. I wish his contract ended this year but it doesn't.

At the very least we need to identify and recruit a young smart strategist to pick apart opposition game plans and to develop an innovative new one for us. We don't just want to badly copy the Swans tempo footy. How about us being original for once. How about carrying the ball forward, how about developing Bower and Setanta as power running half backs, carrying the ball and delivering it to our gun FF when he is one out or to our strong marking forwards deep in the forward line when one out. How about a game plan that suits us and that is ours. Why can't we aim to have others copy us in a few years.....

I know we have no talent, are 3 yrs into a 5 yr sentnce blah blah blah. I'd rather us play frenetic attacking footy and lose by ten goals and in three years have a side that wins by ten goals than watch Heath Scotland dodge 15 players while taking the ball sideways and then kicking it backwards 15 metres and everyone holding up the ball until they are sure the entire opposition is in our forward line and then delivering a perfect 15 metre pass to an opponent by himself.

The process for changing the coaching support needs to include DP while he is there. Surely he understands that we have to improve. He must be able to see that. I have no time for Sheedy but he was smart enough to have good assistants, take all the credit for their ideas and then sack them when they looked to good.

great post gerry.

You had me at hello.

Pagan lost me after that insipid attempt to make a motivational speech before the last game at Princes Park.

In the words of Les Murray after a cynical foul "HE HAS TO GO". Make a deal with him. Anything. Show some balls. $700,000 = 2,800 members @ $250 a pop.

Sack him and appoint someone young and hip.

He has to take responsibility for:

2 x spoons
The recruitment of Saddington, McLaren, Mott etc etc.
a shocking game plan

GONE

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Totally agree
I would rather go down fighting until the end, than all this aimless chipping

If we to fail I would like to do it positively teaching the boys how to play. negative football will get the club nowhere, just teach bad habits..

Did DP say anything new at 3/4 time or did the players do it themselves.

Game plan?? What #$#$#$# game plan ??????

Agree with the above re: total changes required.
I don't know why some people are still criticising the board for standing up to Denis

I repeat a monumental F### UP of the highest order when Pagan was re signed after the Wiz Cup. I believe the board were pressured into this deal and Pagan used his cunning to get what he wanted.

What did we get? Well after Pagan put pen to paper we got position 16 and another position 16 is almost guaranteed. NIce little return on investment.

Has he met his KPI's or were these his KPI's?

My sister nearly ran over Pagan today as she left her place in Carlton and she said she should have accelerated!

Shocked to hear her say good if Pagan gets the sack because she thinks Campo is still a good player.

I like it! Denis can focus on knocking, while Mitch gives them the key to the front door.

Sporn, Prenda, Chambers and co. are all destined to finish their careers in the Bullants... why shouldn't Pagan.

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