PJ, you are bloody frustrating! Explain to me why a 'Carlton Man' is not suited to any assistant role at our club (or head coach)? Back you comment up with some reasons! You mention David Parkin, are you aware that he also coached Hawthorn to a premiership(s? ) after he played there? Robert Walls was a Carlton man and coached us to a flag & gosh, look at John Worsfold - now where did he play again? Even take Dennis Penguin (please take him) played at North and actually had success there.

Oh, but I'm the one with my head in the clouds - just show me why ex-Carlton people shouldn't be involved. I am not saying take them because they are ex-carlton, I am saying don't reject them because they are.

Would make a nice change to have people that care about the club coaching.

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Pagan is ex-carlton as well.

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Conflict of interest, KK.

If Hawthorn have taught us anything it's that having too many former players on the board, coaching panel etc etc ruins the club. People start thinking with their heart instead of their head and eventually everything goes arse up.

I want a coach or a group of coaches who aren't going to have any bias at all.

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Just because you want that doesn't mean your head isn't in the clouds either. Unless you are calling the shots, your doing nothing else but dreaming like the rest of us.

Of course. It's obviously all just opinion here.

I just don't think a fairy tale panel of ex Carlton players is the right answer.

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Nor is it the wrong answer. It's a highly romantic answer though, and one that excites me when I think about it.

PJ - how about Paul Roos at the Swans? Grant Thomas at St.....ok, scrap that one,

regardless - what you are talking about doesn't fit into a conflict of interest situation. Are you insinuating that ex-blues won't be able to make the tough decisions?

Collingwont already want 'Bucks' and Essendon* want 'Harvs' or 'God' . North have Laidley - in fact what we are talking about is the rule rather then the exception.

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I'm not for Mitchell, let's get an Essendon* bloke down to the club, harvey or O'Donell would do just fine

I agree with PJ. I think that another advantage of having someone from another club is that they have been exposed to different coaches and philosphies. I think that can help to strengthen a club if used in the right way.

If you stick with inside people for too long, I think it leads to stagnation.

Not necessarily if they've been away from the club for a period of time and you surround them with others with fresh ideas.

It depends really on whether you're talking about having ex-Carlton as head coach or on the coaching staff. I dont think there are any ex-Carlton players in an assistants role that could take over at this stage.

A Coaching Staff of

John Longmire - Head Coach
Paul Hudson
Brett Ratten
Peter Dean

With Ken Sheldon in a Manager/Mentor role

Would provide plenty of fresh, new ideas from guys not long out of the game. Ideas from outside the club and some history well well touted ex-Carlton players in Ratten and Dean.

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To answer your comments:
Sheldon - St Kilda
Ratten - Melbourne
SOS - Bulldogs/Swans/ Collingwood
Mitchell - Sydney/Collingwood

At the moment we have about 5 people from other clubs - mmmm, that's really working isn't it?

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Why is Mitchell such a great option? Is it because of the Bullants winning form?

I am not trying to be smart. Just asking the question. I have only seen him in action once or twice.

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I dont get it either Shakin. Ive listened to Mitchell enough and yes, he's clear, concise and direct with the boys.

But we shouldn't read everything into the Bullants performances. For a list with relatively few injuries over the past 2 years, he'd be expected to be competitive. But we all know we have a list with too many good VFL players. Prendergast, Livingston, Teague, Chambers - all good enough at the lowre levels that just are that step too slow or arm too short for AFL. WE've given them all enough games at senior level and we know they aren't the future. But at VFL they dominate, Livo and Teaguein particular. Mitchell has a good, settled list of good VFL players who take the key positions and make them a very good team.

Our list structure is all wrong - not enough kids coming through, too many VFL players. mitchell enjoys the benefit of that.

In the M&D interviews alot of the younger players mention him very positively. Thats good to have, but does it make him a senior Coach? Could it be good cop bad cop? Who knows for sure?

I don't think people are suggesting Mitchell JUST because the Bullants are on top. But there are very little other options out there that are proven!

Most of the 'possible' pagan replacement options have not been tried with the exception of maybe........................

Sheldon - it's been a while.
Ayres - no thanks.
Blight - is he to old?

etc, etc, etc.

I think people are suggesting Barry for the reasons being that he knows the club, he knows the players and more importantly the players seem to like him and gel with him.

He is an untried option, yes.........................but he is a great option to try.
Just my opinion.

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I have nothing concrete on the current players. I am just basing my comments on rumour and innuendo. That is why I use the word "appear".

I certainly know that the players that left the club 3-4 years ago had no respect for Pagan and still don't.

Parkin coached Hawthorn from 1977 to 1980 with a premiership in 1978. I think he had already cut his teeth before he got to us.

Sheldon would be a possible COI problem if his son is drafted.

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THe bullants are on top because our 23-26 year olds listed players like Teague, Prendergast, Sporn, LIvingston, Chambers etc aren't up to AFL level yet dominate in the VFL. Throw in Harford, Morell and whoever else is there and its obvious why they are on top. Even Tim Watson could coach them to a flag. If those guys were playing AFL week in week out the Bullants would be no where and Mitchell wouldn't look like such a hero.

Our next coach should come from outside Carlton. SOmeone who can bring new ideas and who KNOWS how opposition clubs plan for matches, train, develop young guys, implements game plans etc. I wouldn't be surprised if we are stuck in a time warp. If MItchell has any plans of coaching Carlton he needs to get the hell out end of year and become an assistant at a rival club to see how they go about things.

The Kangaroos.......

Dean Laidley,Donald McDonald,and Tim Harrington are all running the show at the Roos.All ex Kangas.........they aint travelling too well at the moment..........no gaurentees that ex players will do the trick.

Ya take the best man available.

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Of the players that did not respect Pagan and left, did any do great things?