We should beat Hawthorn. If we do we miss out on the priority pick and Hawthorn edge closer to 2nd pick in the draft.

We must have second pick so we can choose between Hanson and Gumbleton..

It's going to be an interesting few weeks...

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Casn i just say something you are completely missing???

whilst you say draft picks have never won a premiership... you forget to add that a very average list has never won a premiership too.
And the only way to improve a list is through the draft. so draft picks have won premierships.

Considering were so far behind each draft picks (especially early ones) are gold.

We have missed 2 years of draft picks.

then we recruited a few duds most of which are either gone or wont make it. That leaves us with wasted rebuilding .Because as all our old players retired.. and we lost picks and had rejects come in to replenish.. as they leave again we have to replenish them...

So were coming from along way back.

and that is why we have won 3 games for the season out of 18 and we have a percentage of mid seventies.

Because were miles behind with our list....


StKilda used to tell their supporters they will have a champion team not a team of champions....

Thats what you say when youre shit...

But at the end of the day.... you need A graders to win the premiership 9 years out of each 10.

One year a decade a team from nowhere might win it...

I like my chances the other way.

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Selfish players obviously

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Maybe they dont have such a build up of players to place in the centre of the circle if they have a team capable of winning games on a regular basis??

Setantas played a few games.. so had Russell i forgot who the other one was....


But obviously our game wins arent coming thick and fast are they???...party because of talent.... the same cry for talent that would bring in the wins more regularly.. so these kinds of wins are less ecstatic???

you know??? the milestone wins... "first in 12 weeks"

or even a win each 3 weeks.

So it becomes 3 wins in 4 games type of thing.. so when were just devastated when we lose... not ecstatic when we win....

Like it used to be like.

But to get to their takes time and pain....

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and the occassional win

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

After (perhaps) costing Melbourne a Top 2 spot, Is it possible to:-.......................

Cost Richmond a spot in the finals?
Finish above Hawthorn (thus in-turn, securing the Wooden Spoon to Essendon*)?
& Denying Collingwood a chance at a Top 4 position in the Finals?

Cause i'd happily give up a PP if we could achieve the above! Just not sure on how 'Set' the final 8 is????

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Just looked at the Ladder and realised that Richmond are doing a good enough job of this themselves.....they don't really need our assistance anyway!

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i reckon we've already cost melbourne a top 2 spot, i dont think richmond have any chance of making the top 8 anyway, i dont want to finish above hawthorn i just want to avoid the spoon and it would be awesome if we could cost collingwood a top 4 spot but cant see it happening.

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Its about balance you need a few wins to keep your younger developing players interested but you dont want to lose sight of reality and that reality is you need A grade quality players to hit the big time which means you need the best draft picks in the best drafts...like this one coming up. I enjoyed the win over Melbourne but winning at the draft this year will be even better....for the future..

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If we win the next two games, a crowd of 80,000 will be at the MCG for Collingwood Carlton.

yep.


and then again of we win next week Elwood? Will you be able to enjoy it AFTER (the bit some seem to miss around here) the event?

Or will it leave a bitter taste in your mouth?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'll ignore your sarcasm... I enjoy any win but I like to keep a sense of reality....it was great for messrs Blackwell, Russell etc and great for the long suffering supporters but I dont want another ten years of whats been happening. I want my club back on top starting favourite each week and destroying the opposition and having us back as the best in the business...
The only way thats going to happen is by using the system like everyone else does and by getting those draft picks....fluking the odd win doesnt do it for me when I know its only masking our problems....people get carried away like when we won the wizard cup and lose perspective of where the club actually is positioned both on and off the field....
I say enjoy the win but dont lose sight of what we need to be doing to make the club greater and thats cashing in at draft time..unlike 2000 when we last had a crack ar several early picks we now have the opportunity to set the club up for a ten year cycle of success..I dont want to blow that chance...

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Well said Elwood !!

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Elwood I wasn't being sarcastic, I was serious.

What will you do if we win next week? Seems to me the worry before the event makes sense, I'm asking about after the event. Trying to make a point about all the posts not getting the balance I thought you post had.

Truly a serious question - I'm only saracstic to Shieky weiky and CG.

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Don't know about Elwood, but I'll feel pretty flat if we win next week. Because the 2004 season taught me this lesson: a few cheap wins at the end of the year converted a Ryan Griffen into a Jordan Russell.

And remember how excited we all were at the end of 2004? We've turned the corner! We've got momentum going into the new year! No we didn't. Good sides win when it matters, not in junk time when the pressure's off and you can't make the finals, let alone the top 12.

If someone offered us a top 20 pick for Whitnall this year, we'd take it. I say that to provide some perspective, because a top 20 pick is what we'll miss out on if we beat Hawthorn. A Whitnall. A pretty big thing to miss out on, isn't it?

But what about the kids!? Blackers, Bentick, Eddie??? Well, you know what's going to keep them enthused over the next few years? MORE GUN KIDS playing with them, and Carlton building a team around those gun kids.

Murphy said just as much a week or so ago: it's the kids that will grow together at the club that'll make it a great place to be.

The odd win or two at the arse-end of the season is great for misty-eyed supporters and those who fondly (and rightly so) remember the old ways. It's great for the short-term emotional health of the players. But it's not great for the CLUB.

My opinion.

Good on ya John, you have very succinctly nailed the issue that some people tend to overlook. The analogy of the Top 20 pick for Whitnall is extremely prudent, and possibly even moreso if this next draft is as deep as mooted.

Ryan Griffen or Jordan Russell ?? No disrespect to Russell but he doesn't look like being anywhere near Griffen's level (be rapt he he was) so the prizes on offer this year are pretty significant for the club in it's rebuilding phase.

I don't want the team to lose games at all, but I don't want us to look a gift horse in the mouth at the same time.

We have been suffering quite badly from the penalties that disqualified us from the first two rounds of the draft for two years in a row. We are now presented with an opportunity to reclaim one of those picks, be a real shame not to take it. In any other year, this #18 might even be equivalent to a Top 10 (I know it's pure speculation) which is just too important to the long term planning to pass on.

Yeah, we are all hurting pretty badly about the way the club has been performing for the past 4 years and if we don't try and extract as much as possible out of this next draft, it might a much longer period in the wilderness than a lot of supporters were expecting.

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The argument used to warn us of the perils of daring to win football matches such as in 2004 seems to be that "we got Jordan Russell when we should have got Ryan Griffen/Brett Deledio". Deledio and Griffen are both very good players and will probably go on to be champions. But I don't like the implicit denigration of Jordan Russell even if it is made relative to the top two picks in that draft. Are we not confident that Jordan will become a very good player in his own right? I'm not necessarily suggesting that anyone has written Jordan off but he has only played ten games of football in generally a pretty poor side. Deledio has played 39 and Griffen 35, in more successful sides. All I'm saying is that I believe it's a bit early to use the argument cited variously throughout the boards. Besides, even if Jordan does not turn out to be as good as the other two blokes, will I be too upset? No, I won't. If Jordan is a good enough player in his own right and is one of our youngsters who plays his part in contributing towards future success, that'll be a good result for me.

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Barring a miracle, we're going to get either pick one or two. It's nothing like 2004. More like 2003 when we would've got Walker ahead of Cooney from all reports anyway.

If it's as good a draft as everyone is making it out to be, it won't matter much at all if we get pick one or pick two.

Absolute rubbish.

What will keep them enthused is us winning some games. Nothing else. Whether it happens with the likes of Murphy, JK, Blackers, Simmo and other good kids, or if it happens with Prender, Davies and other no-hopers, IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Winning is winning, whether or not you do it in good company. I would much rather win games than finish down the bottom. We have good kids coming through, and they will gain momentum and spirit by WINNING, not by finishing down the bottom of the ladder.

Yes, it would be good to get some more kids into the team, but not at the expense of winning. All you that prefer to lose should be ashamed of yourselves and have a long hard look in the mirror. That's not what footy is about. It's about winning, showing us all that the players are prepared to give their all week in week out. If we lose, and yes it is bound to happen frequently for a while longer, so be it. BUT we should take the positives out of the losses to move forward and be successful.

I don't go to the footy to see the CFC lose. We have been through that, and rest assured, we aren't out of it yet. BUT IT IS GREAT TO SEE THE NEXT WAVE OF PLAYERS CARRY OUR GREAT CLUB FORWARD. I'm prepared to cop the losses if it means the next week we come out and give it the best shot we possibly can.

NO more tanking. We must move forward. We must want to win. We need the desire to move forward, not languish down the bottom of the ladder.

GO BLUES! I want you to come out each week and give it your all. Go for the kill. Go for the win. Don't listen to all these "supporters" who want you to lose-that is not what the Carlton Football Club is all about.

I am ashamed to be associated with "supporters" like Synbad who want to lose week in week out. They are not true supporters. For all I care, you Synbad, and any others that want to deliberately lose, can go and get [REDACTED]. You do not represent our club. We want to win, we want to go in tough, to play and fight for the jumper of the CFC, for the pride and glory. That's what footy is all about: winning. Any of you who think otherwise are just plain idiots.

GO BLUES!!!!!!!!!!

Blues2005, I know I posted it because I was bored and it's only a cheap little exercise... but check out the thread in Recruitment, where I put together the starting 18 comprised of the top 3 draft picks from each of the last 6 drafts, vs the draft picks 4-6 from each of the last 6 drafts.

The Top 3 side would win by 10 goals every time they played, there's that much difference.

Look at what Walker did for us yesterday. Do you honestly think a Raphael Clarke will ever be good enough to embarass Russell Robertson like that?

Aside from the odd fluke like Lenny Hayes and Daniel Kerr, the very top kids are a hell of a lot better than the rest.