Most good players who want to change clubs end up being traded. Not too many clubs wnat to lose their good players for nothing (other than Port Adelaide!)

Most people on this forum were pretty happy that the Blues took McLaren at the time so why the change of heart ??

The reason you want the No.1 pick in all drafts is so that you can control some of your own destiny or better still, with the PSD, tell a gun player from another club to just go into it ala Nick Stevens.

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i can tell you i wasnt rapt about getting mclaren, i would have rathered a 3rd round draft pick to b honest but he was the best player available in that draft which really questions how much importance it really holds.

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Fair enough you might not have been too excited about McLaren (I certainly wasn't) but the fact was that we had the pole position in that race. There is always the chance of another big name player jumping ship and right now, if that happens, we need to have first right of refusal.

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as blueworld pointed out, when big name players are going to change clubs, their club doesnt like to let them go for free, they usually want something in return, the only one i cant hink of was port adelaide with nick stevens who were obviously trying to prove a point.

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Oh I say and happily. To not enjoy it is stupid to the umpeenth degree. Will not enjoying it mean Melbourne won? Will not enjoying it mean we get the picks? Its all so silly really.

I understand the need to construct rainbow bridges out of repeated losses - as JL once say, awhatever gets you through the night...


But we won. That is the result. This is all there is so yes sheiky baby while you stand inhaling camelbreath and thinking that makes you somehow smart I'll just sing the song after a win and enjoy it - because that is the reality today just as if we win or lose next week is the reality and all your sour grapses and CG's stupid dribbles and Sailorman's determined effforts to change the culture and going to change diddly squat when it comes to what happens.

So have your little tete-te-tete's (?) about what we should or should not do. Pretend your grey matter is infinitely superior to the humps of your camel and let is REALISTS enjoy the reality of what happened today.

We won.


WE are the Navy Blues

We are the old dark Navy blues


come on Sheiky pieky, you remember the words don;t you

we're the team that tanks for years on end
we're the only team not playing to win
we want the champions
and then more champions
and still more champions
and we'll forget all about the playing
cos we the famous old dark losers!!!!


Go Blues!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Most people on the forum who were happy with mclaren (and saddington before him, and all the other retreads prior to that) were happy with the players for 3 reasons
1. sugar coating from posters
2. sheep mentality of the forum
3. rose/navy blue coated glasses

I have tried to refrain from replying to the plethora of posts that you have put up tonight across these forums but I just have to have a further say now.

After this load of codswallop, it is quite obvious that you are nothing but a prize bell-end. "Inhaling camel breath" is neither clever nor humourous so you might want to get a new scriptwriter !!

By all means enjoy the win but try and keep some perspective on the big picture.

We have been smacked about for most of the year and currently sit 15th on the ladder. We are becoming a permanent fixture in the bottom four of the ladder which is completely unacceptable.

We win a game(s) in the 'junk time' of the season and you go off your tits about it ?? Sorry, I just can't get the same level of excitement out of it as you. If we were threatening to earn a place in the '8' then I can understand the euphoria but as it stands, we are still way off the pace and more than likely will be again next year.

I realise we need to keep taking small steps in the right direction but until we are handing back the smackings on a regular basis like the old days, I'll remain quite conservative and reserved in my excitement levels.

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DB we all enjoyed the win! Or at least I did, I was singing the song just like everyone else after our win and of course I wasn't unhappy we won - are you kidding?

But what I, and many others, are trying to point out that does one or two more wins in the remainder of the season, where we cannot make the finals, where we have suffered the pain of loss after loss but eased it by looking forward to having some good kids at the end of the year; does that one win worth the agony of the whole season that's just gone past? Does it really help Carlton in the long-term that we win a single game and let go of a future gun kid? Would you let a Josh Kennedy or a Dowler slip by winning one more game?

IMO I wouldn't, we've suffered all season long but we had the draft picks to look forward to and picking up a couple wins in the 'junk time' (thanks Shiekh) and letting go of them isn't enough for me, I want a higher return on my season's pain than a mere single win - I want a top 20 kid!

I love it when Carlton wins but if anyone didn't feel ambivalent - as I did - about this win, then they're more concerned with their own short term jollies over and above the future of Carlton Football Club.

I'm over people telling other people on how they should follow Carlton.

Trying to make people feel bad for enjoying a win.



: garthp :

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AWWWWWW STEVENS.

...que sera sera...

All I want is proper development of the kids we end up with. That's the most important thing.

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There's so much I could say...

yep your're right. we should sit and pray we miss each shot. We should pray we drop each mark. Hell lets hope a few of the lads get injured.

The point you so called clear sighted visionaries are misssing is that your concerns do nothing but perhaps inflict ulcers upon your fretful persons.

We won. Enjoy iit.

Then in the coming days you can hope for losses for the rest of the season.
But to not get excited, to be clear-headed, to be 'ambivilent' is silly. It happened.

Deal with it.

Me I'll deal with it by being over the moon. It was great to see my kid laughing at a football game again. Seem him coming home wearing his jumper witrh pride. All your facts and logic help him nought.

But him hearing the lads sing Fevloa, well that he will remember.

And bragging rights over his cousin - that he'll love.

Oh and Nick I am not worried about your concerns. Hell my brother and I discussed it at half time with some mates but the fact is in the last quarter we knew we were going to win, we grinned and screamed 4 years of pain out and hell it was fun!

See it is easy for some furry experts who may not go to games to worry their beads into oblivion but many of us that go week after week do not mind the occassional win to help us get along.


Now lets lose every game this season!


But I'll still be screaming if we win next week because if that happens it happens.

I'll postpone regret til monday

As for sheiky weiky I'm just glad the sheep's clothing as been shed. Simmo for brownlow! Flag in 08! yeah right!



ps - I laughed! and that's what counts tail of woe!

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I am with the Camel man and the Sailor

If we win again we might as well resign ourselves to the fact that we are not going to be a top 4 side for a very very long time

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I remember the great win last year where we beat the Pies reserves and gifted them Thomas and Pendelbury and pushed own own picks down.
Great win, but it on DVD, Bentick plays a blinder.
Every time I see Thomas and Pendelbury for them I think haha we beat you. A couple of gun ten year players won't change the fact we beat them and still took the spoon. I wanted to watch the game but it wasn't even on TV!!!
Sorry to the live for now, anti-Tankers but it's not me, my therapist recommended this post.

Dannyboy.. i was happy with the win for about a minute.. no way would i drive home singing the song over and over and over again because ive had so little to get excited about.
Ill reserve the reasl celebration to if and when we become a powerhouse football team again.
I was happy for the players winnning a game of footy.

But if you ever knew StKilda supporters through the eighties... this was highly reminiscent of the way they would act when they won a game.

Like Kouta said after the game.. "When i first came to the club we were expected to do that so it was no big deal"

It was a game high on passion but i wouldnt call it "skillful".

Im interested in bringing some more passion into the team/ club.

Then ill sing the song because i know its not a mirage.

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oh you are so right, next time the kid wants to get excited I'll just say... no no son, we at Carlton do not do that.

Hmm maybe I'll tell him to barrack for the dees - no need for passion there.


The fact remains sailorman all your grand theories count for nought in the light of day.

We won. Regardless of whether we should not or should, we did. Enjoy it

Leave your robust need for my way or the highway for another day. Simple really.

We won.

At the start of the game - na didn't care (and isn't that sad)

Today - do not care (well maybe I do a little bit)

But as it happened, as the young kids dominated their young kids it was good to see them get a win

it was good to see Denis get a win (yeah I know we all want him sacked, still he's just a man - to the tune of I don't know how to love him ' he's just a coach, and we've had so many coaches before, in oh so many ways, he's just one more....' - because despite all his weaknesses he is trying hard to turn this club around. I was happy for me, it is a lot of money for a teacher and sometimes it helps to enjoy the game rather than just sitting there pretending its fine to cop a belting. Most especially though, I was happy for the Carlton people. Seeing them happy. Football is not just about premeirships - Carlton forgot that and it almost killed this club - its about people and some people invest a lot of their time and happiness in this club - rightly or wrongly is irrelevant. They do.

On the train was an old couple smiling as proud as grandparents after a birth, a group of girls singing the song, my son chatting to another lad, both wearing their jumpers with pride, a few blokes going on about the kids that player, about Walker and Bentick and so on (and those kids deserve to be talked about - yes I know later, later) a Japanese couple asking what the fuss was about and so on. People.

Yes we need to build the list.

Yes we need to regain our competitive edge.

Yes yes yes yes.

And as a club we must take care of the people that love this jumper - that we are still not doing in many ways, so the people take what they can.

We won. Many were happy. I joined in with their happiness because in the end sport's ability to connect people is far more important than a couple of picks. - its why most go; even those 'scrays that are still denigrated, or the old Saints fans we seem to still feel superior towards, they go for the humanity of it.

Last night coming home we were part of the humanity of that bluebaggerness. Now I could have withdrawn and moped about being so close to losing a kid. Hell I could have yelled at them to keep it down, that we bluebagger people do not look upon a win the way lesser beings do, that we cheat and buy and plot and do everything far better than anyone else (if only the damn AFL would let us).

I chose not to. I chose to enjoy the win with my smiling, happy son.

The only mistake I made was logging on to this site.....

And that is the real sad thing about the win. We are not allowed to enjoy it. The Draft pick police see to that.


Last night I copped a warning for calling someone a moron.

I think those needing to bag the win should all have copped warnings for trolling. Just keep them away for a day or two, let the others enjoy their win, then come in in the cold hard light of Football Rationalism and Football Correctness, and explain to us how our reckless, fickle, stupid, sad, pathetic, supporting of wins is destroying this club.

Hell who knows, some of us may have even listened.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

So now it's your way and not Synbad's or the highway ??

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this is a little out of hand....wins are what matters.

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dane's trolling again

qft.

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