the way i see it you barrack as hard as you can for your team to win and if you dont you experience pain, at the end of the year you get draft picks as a reward for the pain, not as a reward for barracking against us, we're supporters its our job to support our team.

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Come on Danny I swear you've said that about half a dozen times.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

only three times

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Scenario 1. (Don't win)

In Out

Pick 1/2 Kouta
Pick 17/18 Davies
Pick 19/20 Longmuir
Pick 35/36 Chambers
Pick 51/52 Livingston
Pick 67/68 Sporn

PSD 1/2 Teague

Scenario 2 (Do win)

In Out

Pick 1/2 Kouta
Pick 17/18 Davies
Pick 34/35 Longmuir
Pick 50/51 Chambers
Pick 66/67 Livingston

PSD 1/2 Sporn

In scenario 1 we get

- an extra pick in the top 20
- a chance to pick up 7 reasonable (at worst) players without losing anything.
- In this scenario we may have the luxury of delisting another player and going for something left field at pick 82 in the knowledge that we have drafted 6 quality youngsters and a PSD pick.

In scenario 2 we get

- Probably only 6 players of note.
- To keep a player who is not up to it for another year. The decision becomes Teague/Prendergast/Bannister or pick 82 or promote a rookie?

There is no doubt that winning is good for the development, however we need to get as many quality youngsters as possible. We still have more rebuilding to do and it is worth noting we have only had one NAB rising star nomination this year.

I hear Dannyboy about his son - mine won't come to the footy, he says I know what is going to happen. He's seen too many thumpings. He also says he should have been my twin so he could have seen good Carlton sides.

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Get comfortable being uncomfortable

and either way it happens or it doesn't and there is nothing - absolutely nothing, you or I can do to influence it so I'll enjoy the wins and hope for that extra pick.

as opposed to feel flat about the wins and hope for that extra pick.


Remember last year? Remember the bagging everyone got for enjoying wins - yet did we get the picks? Yep


and I am glad I enjoyed those meaningless wins cos they were meaningless except as wins.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

How many games COULD or SHOULD we have won this year with a bit more luck or had we been able to sustain our effort for more than 3 quarters (e.g. WCE)? We should all be thankful we didn't quite manage to win those games.

That's funny. What you're saying is that if we miss ONE second round pick that's going to affect our ability to rise up the ladder for a long time. Half the second round picks never work out anyway. Get a grip!!!! One player from the second round is probably not going to make that much difference. Last year we got our PP, thus Murphy.....great, didn't mind blowing the last couple of games. This year, screw losing, just want to win now. Think our players would learn for winning games than any advantage one extra player, from the second round of picks mind you, will ever give us.

For those who are happy we won......great. For those who want to lose, go follow Richmond, they've been doing it for 25 years, you should feel quite at home.

I like how a bunch of people on a message board get all cranky at each other over something that none of us have any control over.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Robert Heatley you forgot something in your scenarios.

Scenario 1: 25,000 Members in 2007

Scenario 2: 32,000 Members in 2007.

More to the finish of this year than a player who may be around for 3-10 years. Wins will remove the stench of death surrounding the club over summer and provide the players with the belief needed to target finals in 2007.

The club has a huge chance this summer to clean house and what better imputes than finishing the season with 4 and a half wins out of 7.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

How many more years do we have to spend at the bottom befor we can say "ok, NOW lets start winning!!!" and expect it to come just that easy?

How are the kids meant to get better not playing for a win?

Lets all stop getting excited when we see Simmo tuck the ball under the arm have a bounce and kick long to Fisher, Waite or Fev and get some high 5's from team mates.

Lets stop creaming our pants when Murphy shows a bit of magic.

Lets stop looking at each other with a lil smile everytime Walker runs the ball outta of the backline with a few bounces or get sick of each other saying "God damn T-Bird is having a good game." OR "WOW, Blackwell and AB have been good today" OR seeing Kennedy get games in his first year and showing he is going to be pretty good for us.

For a month this side has been so close to a win, and for the young guys and even the older guys it was well overdue. Tell the players they shouldn't have won the game and see what sort of reaction you get.

I love seeing Carlton win and want to see it again this year and ANY supporter who trys to tell some other supporters that shouldn't be enjoying a win can go forth and commit an un-natural act on themselves.

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Not so best of TheSexySquad


AWWWWWW STEVENS.

please, describe that act

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Keep it up Danny I'm right behind you on this one .

I Love winning and couldn't care if we missed that pick

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

but the other argument might be

if we keep winning Pagan will keep his job

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We need the extra pick more than the win at this stage of our development and the chance to grab another class youngster can't be passed up. If we win two more games and give the Hawks the chance to grab Hansen, Gibbs or whoever, that would just about be the icing on the cake.

They haven't got anyone that can stop Fevola and Hodge had just the ten possessions, so I'm afraid the writings on the wall.

I would be happy for Pagan to keep his job if we keep winning

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Jim, Fullmont, Dannyboy & MJONC, you have my full support, as does Carlton!

Someone earlier actually suggested that all top 20 draft picks this year will be better then Waite. We don't know this, and if this is such a great draft whether we have pick 1, 2, 6 or 7 they will all be stars?

The players have to learn how to win, otherwise with 2-3 new 'guns' in the team they still won't be able to do it.

Isn't this meant to be about how badly we want to ruin Collingwood's season anyway? I would love to dance and sing as they kiss top 4 good-bye!

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Between our dreams and actions lies this world

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

After black friday, I would say 90% of the people on TC/TBV said "screw the AFL, we don't need the picks anyway, we are gunna shove it up the AFL, this is the best thing to happen to the club, it will galvanise us, we are Carlton, I'm more worried about the fine blah blah blah", well, four years on, the majority of you still haven't worked out just how vital draft picks are for our future success. You are still living in a time warp and think one meaningless end of season win will lead to this gathering Carlton storm in 2007 that no one will be able to contain.

I think there are four types of people that would want Carlton to win one more game for the year:

i. Those who are too stupid to realise how important the draft is.
ii. Those who are very insecure in themselves as a Carlton supporter and think they are a 'true' supporter if they want us to win one more game regardless of the consequences.
iii. Those who enjoy footy but don't truly care about Carlton and are willing to put their own short term jollies ahead of picking up a 10 year player.
iv. Opposition supporters.

If not winning one more game meant we could pick up a father/son selection at no cost, basically for free I'm sure the majority of the no tank brigade would go for it, unless you fit into the type ii or possibly type iii categories. I think even a type i would put their short term jollies aside for four games, people just can't identify with the talent that is the problem.

I can't believe anyone who truly says they are a Carlton person could actually watch the remaining four games and actually want Carlton to win knowing where we have been over the last 5 YEARS.

Carlton God

They all step out in that navy blue jumper every week with such pride. These boys want to win!!! And i want to be there when they do!!!

Bring on the wins carlton.... Get us back that reputation we deserve!!!

you forgot v (for victory?)

those of us who realize our FAN-tastic impact on the club is a FAN-tasy
and accept the wins if they come and understand the need for high draft picks if they come and support the club in its endevours even while FAN-tasising about how we would do it differently.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!