This is the best point in the whole thread. Adelaide only had one top ten draft pick in its side on the weekend. They really should have bottomed out after they finished 12th in 2004. Silly buggers. We will out smart them in the end!

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

A team of priority Picks. Or a team full of early draft picks has never won a premiership.

It is a good theory that you tank and get the best players available. Yet to be proven.

I dont know why people are so gun ho about tanking when past shows it doesnt lead to much sussecces. Hathorn and St kilda are the two main culprits of tanking closely followed by Carlton. alll three have no success

I will be happy if we win the next four games . Tanking is for losers and winning is the only way up the ladder.

Nobody should be gung ho about tanking until the season is already shot.

At least that's my feelings on the subject.

Adelaide have more going for them and its not a level playing field.....they have the SANFL as their own private developing ground along with Port, more money whcih means promoting rookies is never a problem, their rookies are battle hardened playing the SANFL ....ours are plodding around in the Bullant twos vs your neighbors high school kids.. If any team is not going to stay down long its Adelaide.....

A champion team will beat a team of champions?......we used to recruit everyone elses champions and call that a team.....and we used to win flags until they dumped form fours and went with the draft....

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

So we desperately want an extra pick at 18. Some recent pick 18's:

2001: Shane Harvey
2002: KRIS SHORE
2003: LLANE SPAANDERMAN
2004: Cameron Wood
2005: Max Bailey

Let's look at all picks in a five pick range in the same time frame.

Talk about trying to strike fear into people. The draft is the way, and you get better results in the draft if you lose more games.

I see nothing wrong with playing youth, trying things out, and not worrying about winning once the season is shot. Even resting players or putting them in for corrective surgery before the season's end.

Didn't you say this draft was the best we've had for a while?

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and this I think is an error in thinking.

It was not the draft per se (and the loss of form fours) that began the rot at Carlton. It was our reaction (or lack thereof) to the changes.

And yes we recruited champions but also grew our own players/ many of them bit players like Bortolotto or b graders like Meldrum or Tommy Allvin, Glascott, Kennedy, and so forth plus the wonderous days of the Golden Square - and developed a grand old team spirit until JE came along.

Carlton under Elliott became a Denmark old William would have been happy to write about.

In fact the closest analogy to what we became from about 1990 onwards (and yes I am aware we won a flag in 95, rather like a battered prize fighter somehow experiencing a wonderous last bout) is that horrible play/movie The Club - swap Colllingwood for us and thast scripot is scarey in its accuracy.

The point is we need to rebuild the culture of this club. We need to become forweard thinkers again, we need to be innovation, proactive, sellers of the brand and oif this great club, its traditions (the good ones), its history etc.

Give me a board doing that and you can stick your picks where only collingwood people belong.

I understand the rationale behind picks but I think it is only a small device in the overall scheme of what this clubs needs to do to be great again .

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Agreed ... people are treating the extra pick as the be all and end all of whether we have had a 'productive' season or not. I still can't work out how one pick in the late teens is going to change that much. That player is still a 50/50 chance of making it and I'm not sure if it's worth all the innuendo and insults that are flying about on here at the moment.

I hope he's more of a Kerr (picked in the 20s) than a Llane Spandermann - pick 18 - but none of us know.

It'd be nice having more picks but if it doesn't happen I won't be abusing fellow supporters or the coaching staff ... I'll enjoy the improvement shown by our younger players and remember the joy I felt when watching the melbourne game on the weekend and singing the team song for the first time in 11 weeks!

Go Blues!

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Look I dont disagree with most of that and we did grow our own courtesy of the plentiful zone called Bendigo and surrounding areas but that went along with form fours as well....you could always count on Bendigo serving us up some tasty players every season.....
Wont get an argument from me about being forward thinkers and about 95 and our lack of vison thereafter either.....
I have no doubt priority picks, tanking for the NO 1 spot etc will be phased out by the AFL as more people complain and we will get a lottery system like Paul Roos suggested in the Herald Sun today.
Everyone knows what is happening and how the system is being rorted...the Bryce Gibbs cup theory was actually a sad reality of what the system has made the game today....my view is we use its while we can and take our turn....and when a new system of drafting eventuates be a bit better at embracing it than we were when the nationial draft and salary cap came in.....Jack just pretended it didnt exist and it was business as usual...

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4 of the last 5 premeirship winners have exploited the system and have taken advantage of what the the AFL has given them over the rest of the competion.

THE ONLY WAY FOR CARLTON TO EXPLOIT THE SYSTEM IS TO GAIN ACCESS TO PRIORITY PICKS WHILST WE STRUGGLE.

80 % of premierships won in the last 5 years have gone to clubs that have exploited the system.

I want the proirity pick because we have 1/3rd of our list that are not up to AFL standard and will never be up to AFL standard. I don't need to name, names.

So we desperately want an extra pick at 18. Some recent pick 18's:

2001: Shane Harvey
2002: KRIS SHORE
2003: LLANE SPAANDERMAN
2004: Cameron Wood
2005: Max Bailey[/quote]

2000: Daniel Kerr

So 1 out of 6 pick 18's make it. Not great odds.

Expand it out like I said. Besides, Wood and Bailey haven't failed, they're ruckmen, both are looking set for a solid year next year. Shane Harvey was just silly recruiting by the Bombers.

2000: Daniel Kerr

So 1 out of 6 pick 18's make it. Not great odds.[/quote]

Your odds double if it is pick 18 and 20

Off you go then.

Maybe later.

OffIgo..

No, pick number 18 is nothing...

Well can we trade off pick number 20 too as it is nothing???

that kind of stupidity is whats landed us in trouble in the first case.
Some people still dont understand what it takes to rebuild a list totally.

Yes... yes... a couple of picks during trash time will hold us in good stead for next year....

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All the premiers of the last five years have benefitted from the system:

2001-03: Brisbane with salary cap concession.
2004: Port Adelaide were "gifted" Tredrea, Wanganeen and P Burgoyne when they entered the competition.
2005: Sydney with salary cap concession.

Now that we are at the bottom surely we should take advantage of the potential benefits.

I want 3 top 20 picks this year.

If people think pick #18 isn't significant then note that this is around what we would expect to receive if we traded Nick Stevens.

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