I thought we took Waite with a father son? Closest I can think of to pick 18 on our list would be Wiggo or Sporn - gee can't move forward without them

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I've known Graham since i was about 2 and i can ASSURE you all that he IS in fact a football person. I grew up going to games at princess park with the smorgon family, and we rarely missed a game. Graham is definetly a passionate carlton man who holds the clubs best interests at heart. That explains why he wanted the job in the first place.

HOWEVER, he is also, undeniably, a commercial businessman who comes from a powerful business family - a very successful one at that.
So, i put it to Ron Joseph: is it not possible to be both a commercial businessman AND a football fellow? Wouldnt that be a good balance for a president of a football club?
Now im not saying that Graham is or has been the perfect president...he certainly has not (Dig into the books and i doubt you'll find that smorgon steel group has made any financial contributions to the club at all). Disappointing for a company that turns over millions.
Nonetheless, i dont believe Graham is in the wrong over the Pagan issue. Everybody seems to get so frustrated that he hasnt made any concrete statements...but what is concrete right now at the club? We're at the wrong end of the ladder..still...and therefore the coaching staff is under the microscope. Seems pretty simple to me..

stop making sense Dannyboy or we will feel the wrath of Carlton God.

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Bower.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

oh so without Bower this club cannot go forward?

This kid who has not yet played a game - our future depends on him?

Yep Got me there (and I'll stop there or incur another warning from Mrs C )

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Maybe not yet...

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what's this, future hindsight?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Actually BV I took it to mean that he has two years to go after this season which is correct. I thought Smorgon spoke well. Comparing him to Cooke is not really fair. Cooke is CEO, Smorgon head of the board and while Geelong were in trouble several years back, they are not in receivership now as we are. That's not to say that I don't wish Cooke was our CEO.


Why are you saying that Carlton are in 'receivership'? Thats news to me.

Pagan is in the first year of a 3 year deal. Smorgo said Pagan "has a 2 year contract".

It's no big deal, I just thought it was poorly expressed but so be it.
That's not to say I'm not supporting Smorgon. If he has the balls to conduct a comprehensive coaching review and act on the outcomes regardless of the finances, he'll do me for now.

BTW, I didnt mention Cook or say we were in recievership.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

anyone that has had a chat with smorgon knows he knows nothing about footy .

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I think the AFL have already picked up on that flaw.

Doesn't really need to if he has people who break down the jargon for him, so long as his business skills are as good as the company he runs.

Synbad if he knows nothing about footy, what on earth is his motivation in being involved. I would have thought it would be the most thankless job in the AFL, which is a very minor sport in the world. Surely you would need to have a great love of the club, and I always presume that comes with some knowledge. Surely any half way smart person who is passionate about the club would have to develop knowledge.

PS BV it was me that said we were in receivership, I don't think anfield's quotes worked.

Smorgon is involved in footy because it gives his boring personality a profile.

sometimes people get together.. and one bloke owns the NY JETs.. and other owns The METs... then you get to Smorgon and he says " I kind of run the Carlton Football Club.. its the most succesful club in the AFL"

He knows nothing about footy.

He has arrived at training when its finished and waited.. then asked "what time does it start?"

You might hear some weird comments about how the draft work.. or pointing at a player and asking "Who is that?"

Just no idea...

BUT....i must admit he did become president.. and then with all his commercial contacts and business knowhow.. the first thing he did was ask for money.... on the Footy Show.. on the same night that there was a Tasmanian Nining Benefit.. and he told Trevor and Sammy "that we will not be able to pay wages "

Then the next day he denied it... even though he was on telly saying the opposite.

Just a good operator....

The club is in great hands.

Now why is he the president and not Surrey???

Both can not use contacts to bring money in.. and both could beg for money from the AFL???

(Or anyone of us)

what the point of smorgon sticking the knife in Collo and having no answers??

One of the things was the media negative stuff... so what does he do??.. he talks about Pagans contract.. (inaccurately too)

Just a savvy footy guy...

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the sad thing is Synbad cronies on this site who take your word as gospel will hang on everything you say... a lot of it quite unfounded and unfair.

And thats coming from someone who has criticised Smorgon in the past but thinks he should get some sort of credit for his first 4 months in office.

I don't have a problem with Smorgon's interview, I think he did a reasonable job.

he said Pagan has a 2 year contract, but in context I thought it was clear he meant 2 more years. A minor slip on live interview, not a hanging offence.

I'm also not convinced he should have come out saying "hey,yeah, we are all upbeat, everything is running smoothly, Pagan is set in concrete, blah blah blah", becasue frankly that is not the kind of thing many Carlton people want to hear either, since we know thee are big problems, and all is NOT rosy.

And frankly I think if you examine the apparent footy department performance since Pagan arrived, a major review is well and truly justified. I can tell you I am bloody unhappy about some glaring deficiencies I have seen at training and during games, which reflect poorly on the coaching panel.

Ron Joseph thinks he is looking after his client, but I don't think his outburst will help him.

No this was neither stated not implied. This is your own spin.

Take his word over yours anyday pal!!

How earthshattering
Are you his son?

My cronies?
He is doing a fine job???

Well weve seen what he has done...

Do you know there was a board meeting recently where they all cried over the projected figures and the loss coming up for Smorgons first year as our president???

When im saying they couldnt believe it.. im saying they couldnt flower believe it...

Get ready for the debt to take a big jump up.

And while thats all happening.. please tell us what money raising ventures he has implemented to help turn the ship around...

If ou cant think of any (exclude the AFL for a moment... and why they have sent AFL people into our club while Smorgon is in charge cos they think he is the pee wee herman of the footy world)...but what other INITIATIVES has he implemented..??

Its almost the end of the season....

AFL handouts and....???????????????????????????????????????


..... AFL and.......???????????


Josh???

Help us....

AFL and?????????

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