Fair enough John. I like Thornton, and was lucky enough to talk to him after a corporate training day when Mayne was the major sponsor. He came across as a genuine, quality person as well.

Russell, I have high hopes for. We all know how much we need our high draft picks to come off, after what we have been through.

I also really enjoy watching Blackwell, as he looks like a real talent.

Just re-visited this post and thought for a moment I'd mistakenly logged on to "Talking Richmond". Can we all agree that we are thankfull for Smorgo's $$$ because where we are now every $$ counts!

Beyond that however, can we recognise Synbad's message that, no matter how generous, benevolent or gracious the $300K is, it doesnt exonerate Smorgo from the responsibility to drag this club up out of the mire.

I am grateful for Graham's donation and full credit to him for doing it....BUT.... aside from that, what is he doing as president to get us back on our feet again.

In a nutshell:

Point 1. Thanks for the $$ Graham & Sam, much appreciated, you didnt have to do it and its nice to see somebody put their $$ where their mouth is.

Point 2. Grahan, what are you doing as President to steer us out of this hole that we've descended into!!

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JohnM

Why does Green Eggs & Ham have to build up a large post count before he can have an opinion on another poster's fairly one sided view of all things Navy Blue?

At what point does GE&H's view actually count?

There was a time when you too only had 4, then 5, then 6, etc, etc posts. Did your early posts count? At what point did your posts start being valid?

I reckon GE&H is entitled to his view & I also reckon that Synbad has shown over a fairly long time that he is able to defend himself reasonably well with bluff & bluster. Why not sit back and simply enjoy watching another very predictable blow up.

Regards

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That may well be the case Ockham's … but surely if a poster establishes a pattern whereby they are effectively shadowing a poster then the mods have a right for a gentle line of enquiry?

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Firstly, thanks green eggs and ham. I agree wholeheartedly with your views on Thornton, Russell and Blackers!

As for post counts - I couldn't give a rats about them, and that wasn't my point. The point I was making was that up until now, every single post of green eggs and ham had been a potshot one poster in particular.

As everyone should be aware, Talking Carlton has been suffering of late with personal issues between posters getting in the way of proper discussion and debate.

Further to that, we regularly have instances where exisiting posters create new usernames with the sole purpose of pushing a single agenda.

Neither is healthy.

So I was just attempting to flush-out the poster known as green eggs and ham - not to belittle his or her post count, but to ascertain whether he or she falls into the 'the only posts I'm ever going to make will be to take potshots at one poster in particular' camp. Which wouldn't be healthy for the site at all.

Debate is terrific, that's why many of us are here. But the site suffers when wars break out between individual posters, who define themselves almost completely through their opposition to other posters.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

John.

Well put John, from my perspective it looked like the new kid in school was getting bullied by the fat kid with the sling shot and was actually standing up to him, which was good to see.

Now where were we?



Oh yeah, thanks GS, send some more if you can

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Thanks for contributing Smorgen's, most members and supporters appreciate it, well done.

yeah yeah we get the point...

you're the inside man who knows everything and everyone who has ever had anything to do with carlton football club.

you're my hero.

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Fair enough Camelboy. But from the outside it didn't appear that John's post was "a gentle line of enquiry".

Regards
Ockham

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No probs … all sorted now.

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get over yourself synbad. 'just vote as they come up' vote for whoever. etc. Smorgon donated money, be thankful not condemning. How much have you donated? YOu know what's funny, Smorgon= president you= sad bored man who hangs out on internet forums all day. Smorgon= running the club you= thinking you hold some sort of influence. You have nothing mate. If you ran for the board it would be laughable, no one would even contemplate having you on a ticket. But Smorgon is president of the club... says something doesen't it?

John,

Like you, I too don't give a rat's about post counts. I apologise if I came across a bit strong, but to me there appears to be a fairly common pattern whereby positive topics regularly get highjacked by certain poster's pushing their own views very strongly. I reckon that this does significantly more damage to the site & the ability to have open discussion than a "new" poster having a view which is different to Synbad's. Other than GE&H's reference to "idiot" his post in isolation didn't appear to be too unreasonable.

regards
Ockham

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John, I can assure you, that I am just a Carlton supporter, and nothing else. I am not trying to push any agenda. Synbad responded to my first post, as is his right and privilege, and I responded in kind. I would hardly call our second divergence of opinion "war".

On a lighter note, do you think we'll win this weekend?

It's all good ockham, no offense taken and I appreciate your viewpoint.

Synbad will be the first to acknowledge that he's strident, unrelenting and a complete pain in the arse when he's passionate about an issue. Hence he tends to light a fire under those who disagree with him.

I wasn't trying to stick up for Synbad, because he doesn't need it. It was just my concern at 'single issue' posters - someone who's going to post exclusively as an Anti-Synbad, or an Anti-Whoever - well, that's not good at all.

It's one thing to be a part of TC, enter into discussion and find yourself disagreeing with a particular poster most of the time. But it's quite another if disagreeing with that poster is your entire reason for posting here.

John.

I acknowledge that my call of "idiot" was out of line. It was borne of frustration, but still shouldn't have been used. Again, my apologies.

No problem green eggs - thanks for your clarification!

do I think we'll win this weekend?

Yes - partly because we're starting to play cohesive football, but mostly because Hawthorn have shut up shop for this year. But having said that, I wouldn't be putting any money on us.

I fear we'll end up with the dreaded 4.5 wins AGAIN because I suspect Richmond still have something to play for next week - their rightful spot in 9th place

FOR THE 5TH TIME: I am not commenting on Smorgon's ability as President! Got it?

Now, I'm not saying that we will never find utterly competent Board members who implement ideas that secure our financial future. I am saying that we will never ever find Board members that are prepared to guarantee our future with their personal wealth. Remember, the Board members do not own the club. They do not receive the profits. So why would they take the rsk?

Seriously, are you genuine with this claim? You know I have minimal regard for a lot of the stuff that you post (and the way that it is posted), but I never thought you were stupid.

This claim, however, is lunacy.

Care and share time!

Someone should sticky this as how to resolve a conflict!

Presidents inspirational???? When was the last time we had one? Collo hardly inspirational, Elliott?, Rice? Harris - I'd say was inspirational and was the architect of our magnificent glory days.

Which other AFL club has inspirational presidents? Perhaps the Pies with Eddie. The rest?

I'm with you Rod although I reckon Eddie's more connected than inspirational.

It'd be nice to think that a messiah might appear to lead the masses to the promised land but that's just a little to religious for me and makes me instantly worried (any messiahs reading this please take note that I'm happy to deal).

I'd settle for competent.

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