The PP stakes are minimal this year. Getting a PP or missing out on a PP, as jim has mentioned, will make little difference.

'have their own selfish reasons like 'wanting to enjoy the train ride home singing the song', '

now sheiky before you try and get all high camelly, try and read the first post . See the above quote, well actually that is a dig at me (seeing as I talked about singing on the train trip home after last week's win., and seeing as how CGT has playued the selfish card directly at me before - it really wasn't hard to put two and two together.

As for what came next well shieky read what is says under the line - read it and think before you post again, please, its boring when people cannot read what is written.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I gotta disagree with you here Verbs.

If you got half a mongrel at the thought of Marc Murphy coming to Carlton last year, then try and put this into some sort of perspective.

Many of the talent scouts & junior footy observers believe that if Murphy was in this upcoming draft, he would be taken around 8-10 which indicates how strong this one is supposed to be.

The other thing to take into account is that if this is such a strong draft, pick 17 or 18 would be equivalent to picks around 8-10 in any other year. So in fact, we could be kissing goodbye another Marc Murphy if we win another game.

Whilst it is a personal choice as to whether you think we should be going for the wins or going for the picks, that's the situation that has to be weighed up.

Also bear in mind that no matter which way you think we should go, none of us on this internet forum will have any actual say or influence on what actually happens. It's just novel to come up with a view based on what you probably would do if you were in the position to make that decision.

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Is that really necessary ???




Oh I see ..... so the signature comes into play whenever you want it to even though you change signatures from week to week. Okay, thanks for clarifying that for me.

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Why do clubs trade players then for a draft pick? Why do they negotiate strongly over a players worth? eg. pick 15 vs pick 30? Why don't the club just say 'ok we will take pick 30'?? We traded pick 36ish for heath scotland a few years back, maybe we could trade pick 18 for someone in the 'best draft ever', we would probably get someone good, I personally don't want to trade a draft pick, but someone like mal michael would make a huge difference to our team slotting in at full back each week.

How come all the people saying that pick 18 is worthless never happen to mention Daniel Kerr? He is probably the equal of Ben Cousins.

That's all specualtion though. Getting two picks in the high teens does little to excite me based on the history of the draft.

Who said that?

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Wow.............

do we really have to sit here and listen to Gartlon Cod
give us the Sheits...........honestly...........grow up Sheiksta.......!

whether i agree or disagree with your comments............the way
you play the game is not my style...........!

that's more important for me..............1


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

And thank you for proving my point.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I have heard a few - Eade, Wallace and Tony Shaw spring to mind. Im pretty sure demetriou has said it too

And dannyboy, i know you are obsessed with me, I can't make a post without you responding, I didn't even know the train thing was yours, all i remembered is that someone said it. Not everything is about you believe it or not.

I hope we don't win another game this year and get the PP.

Remember that this also makes us eligible for a PP before the first round next year if we win 4 games or less. By winning another game this year we don't have this insurance for next year.

The AFL is offering free medicine to make us better, lets take it.

Premiership no 17 is what really matters.

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H.L. Mencken

Who are you trying to kid Carlton God? If a coach said anything like that it would be the biggest scandal in AFL history.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Why would it be a scandal? It's not like they are saying clubs try on purpose to lose.

IM NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA LA LA WINNNNN.

A man who writes in dots is telling me to grow up ??

Who's playing games here Thomas ??

And I can't say I care much for whatever your style is either.

Kindest Regards - The Sheik

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I was actually hoping Essendon* would win. Reason being is both Carlton and Essendon* will beat Hawthorn which means if we miss a pp then so will they, nothing worse than just missing a pp and your mortal enemy getting the best player and an extra pick so we will both miss a priority pick...so to avoid the spoon means we have to beat richmond, sydney or collingwood and i think we will do that, just means we will prob finish 14th...it is very unlikely now we will get the number 2 pick it will either be number 1 or number 3...

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Succumb to your highest emotion!!!!

Well said Humpers, this is one part of the draft/PP conundrum that is overlooked somewhat. If there was a PP on offer next year before the first round, well it may be of significant value to us.

Imagine if this came about :

2006 - 1, 17 & 18
2007 - 2, 4 & 18

We'd have to be in some sort of serious shape to launch an assault on the flag with that platform of talent.

I don't want us to keep losing either but I feel we may as well use this time down the bottom end to stockpile a few good'uns whilst we can.

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I think Essendon* have a better list than us and we need the help more than they do..watched Gibbs again last night vs Norwood on ABC2 and couldnt help but be impressed again. I want to have the choice between him, Hansen, Gumbleton etc...I'll leave it to the experts who gets picked but we deserve the choice not Essendon*....

That choice is worth more than 4 points...

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training partner."
- Conor Gillen

It's funny that Collingwood supporters don't want us to get a priority pick. If Collingwood were in the same position we would want them to win one more game and miss a priority pick.... I think that should tell you something.

I'm not sure that using the intelligence of Collingwood supporters as the basis for your argument and then equating that intelligence with the intelligence of Carlton supporters is necessarily a smart move.

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Turkish Proverb