AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:

Pagan is better than ....him.

Sheesh

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No chance!! I can't stand the diamond studded woofter .

Give Denis 1 more season to improve the W/L to 40% using the list he has developed - we at least owe him that - if he can't do it, I'm more than happy to look at the alternatives.

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See I've always kinda thought that AFL coaches are a bit like dentists. You want one who thinks he is God because they tend to be perfectionists/acheiving types. My denist is the biggest arrogant prick you've ever met, but man does he do a mean filling.

Look at where the nice guys coaches like Bomber Thompson, Schwabby and Frawley get you - no where fast. You can't tell me that Pagan, and Blight and Lethal don't have tickets on themselves cause they do/did, but they've also got the premierships to their name as well.

If the club is looking at turfing Pagan (and there is still scant evidence/logic to that at this stage) then I think we could do worse than look at Harvey who has a great deal of experience at two non-Carlton clubs and was assistant coach of a premiership side widely regarded as one of the best ever (if not, in Carlton circles).

Now whether we can do better remains to be seen, but I would think Harvey's resume reads pretty well to be honest. Particularily if a bunch of perenial under acheivers like Freo ends up playing home finals and/or a GF this year.

Duke, we don't owe Pagan anything, having said that I want someone other then the two mentioned - anyone else out there????

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Kingkerna, at least with Harvey our players might show some balls! They couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag at the moment. The amount of times we just couldn't lay a half decent tackle on Sunday was horrific!

We might also get our own players to stand up for themselves in case of a push and shove (Fev excepted). If Freo are tested they come out swinging these days - that reeks of Harvey.

Just a thought.

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As an aside, heard Damien Hardwick on radio last night. Was suprised at how well he spoke and came across, very impressed. Certainly a coaching candidate in 3-4 years I'd say.

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The only way Pagan will be ousted is if Pratt and his gang spill the board and payout all debts and contracts of those they don't want.

If that happens I'd take Harvey but review all possible options first.

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There are ways and means of controlling a club without spilling the Board. Money speaks volumes, especially at a club that is in a worse financial situation than a third world country.

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Harvey is a c#$t and can't coach.

Whenever asked for special comments, he gives NOTHING and now that Freo have won a few games everybody is trying to attribute the development of their guys for 5 years to him in a couple of months

This is another f#$king joke from the supporters who want to sack Pagan without any thoughts of the financial consequences or anyone better qualified.

F#$k off Harvey and keep holding Robert Shaw's hand you weak white anting prick.

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I agree. That is why the AFL gave us 1.5 million and put Fitzy on the board and them made Watts a consultant. The board spill has already happened

I take it you ain't a fan of Harvey then Dukes! You forgot to mention his earing and fake white teeth he sports these days!

I also assume you voted for Pagan in the poll.

As I said in my original post, I am not convinved entirely that Harvey would be "the" man. Others like Pyke, Mitchell may be better suited. One thing about Harvey is that he would bring some aggression to the team.

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Harvey?

Now there is one scary suggestion.

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Who would you suggest Paf?

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I spoke to a former Essendon* player recently (U19s/reserves) who's father is on the committee at Essendon* and he said that Harvey was very highly regarded at Essendon* - much liked by the players and an extremely good tactician. They rate him well ahead of O'Donnell.

He left the Dons with their blessing. The idea is that he would get some invaluable experiemce at another club and when his 2 year contract finished he would return to Essendon* as Sheedy's contract finishes at the same time.

Highly unlikely under that scenario that we would get him but I'd be definitely trying.

I'm glad you picked up my mild dislike for that pathetic piece of Essencum

Seriously though, Pagan's contract would make it fiscally irresponsible to get rid of him int he short-term. I don't think he is to blame for a lot of our onfield woes (players' decision-making, drafting, trading, etc) and while he may make a nice scapegoat I'm not convinced this will solve our problems. It's easy to say 'get rid of Pagan' without accounting for the financial consequences the board will have to deal with.

Back to Harvey, he's not the answer. His so-called reputation for hardness at CHB was only because of the way he would snipe at his opponents ... swinging round arms across the back of the head as they tried to mark - not tough at all in my book. He had a lot of injuries and he did well to put up with sheedy for all those years but after that there aint many more positives. Look on and find a real coach for when its time for Pagan to go.

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Please.

Anyone......ANYONE, but Mark Harvey.

(except Denis)

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Two years ago, underocover of darkness Harvey took all the "Baby Bombers" along to the hallowed turf of the MCG. With him he took the 1993 Premiership Cup.

They sat around in a little circle in the middle of the ground whilst Harvey told them stories of the 1993 Grand final.

Why did he do that? Because he belived that the young group he had assembled before him were the most talented youny group of footballers to join the club since Hird, Mercuri, Misiti etc. HE TRULY BELIEVED THEY COULD WIN THE FLAG IN 2005.......

What a fool...

You always hear these stories after a great Grand Final victory and the subject of the story is forever revered as a "smart and lateral thinker" who "inspires in word and deed".

The funny thing is these attempts at inspiring players are no doubt going on all the time and it's only the ones that are coincidentally followed by premierships that ever see the light of day. I think it comes from that mystical "cause and effect" school of journalism that says if something happened prior to something else it must have caused it.

It's far more interesting and a whole lot funnier when it comes out like this...


I haven't ever heard Harvey say anything that's made me think he was a great football tactician but I haven't really heard anything that made me think he wasn't either. Actually I never really hear him say much at all.

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Sheedy always used to say more than enough for both of them.

you know what will happen, we'll change coach and then the moment the new coacha rriveswe'll start winning games and be a good team again because denis was developing all the youngsters and then someone will come and reap the rewards of pagan's hard work.

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