Carlton God, I like what you have to say, however, I need to point out that I was the original advocater for the demise of the supposed big 3, Kouta, Campo and Whitnall, some 4 years ago.

Like you say, those three have played a significant role in our slide down the ladder. I have no respect for any of them. They make me sick. To think that these three blokes are/were the leaders of our club, says alot about where we are at.

Greedy individuals.

Lance as captain, bloke who can't run and jump and who's disposal is so woeful due to the fact that he is hurried to dispose each and every time he has the football. It's so ingrained now that even when he has an extra yard, he's petrified thinking he's about to be nabbed.

He should retire immediately, take up an assistants role and who knows, his supposed knowledge may land him the head job in two years time if we can't get rid of pagan before his contract is up.

Carlton God, I like what you have to say, however, I need to point out that I was the original advocater for the demise of the supposed big 3, Kouta, Campo and Whitnall, some 4 years ago.

Like you say, those three have played a significant role in our slide down the ladder. I have no respect for any of them. They make me sick. To think that these three blokes are/were the leaders of our club, says alot about where we are at.

Greedy individuals.

Lance as captain, bloke who can't run and jump and who's disposal is so woeful due to the fact that he is hurried to dispose each and every time he has the football. It's so ingrained now that even when he has an extra yard, he's petrified thinking he's about to be nabbed.

He should retire immediately, take up an assistants role and who knows, his supposed knowledge may land him the head job in two years time if we can't get rid of pagan before his contract is up.

Oh no there are two gods .... I hope this does not end up in a religious war

His execution might be off, but Carlton God's right on this one.

Whitnall OUT should have happened years ago and the boat might have sailed

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I wonder how mystery pick 30ish in the 2005 national draft would have gone holding down CHB this year??

You play badly and people in this forum want you to be traded ... you play well and people still want you traded. There's not enough 's left for all this crap.

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i was under the impression that stevos contract was heavily front loaded, so next year he's probably only on 200K-250K

Hey jim, I can think of one more guy with a big contract you've been using your 'keyboard energy' on lately thats probably not going anywhere

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Hold on kids, around we go again.....

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I reckon we should trade Trent Sporn to Adeliade for a first round pick...

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Turkish Proverb

Whitnall to stay. You wont get much for him due to his age and his inability to see out a whole season. Its not such a bad thing as he is still one of best players whether you like it or not.



Id look at trading Stevo or Houla if we could get a pick in the top 20. Probably wont get such a pick though unless Sheedy is looking for quick fixes again.


How would you all feel about a Whitnall for Mal Michael trade? Cant see the club going for it but i think that is the "trade whitnall " crowds only hope.

I have read all the replies to this post with interest. I reckon yours encapsulates it all t_b24. Well done young fella.
We have to improve, so we have to sacrifice. Simple maths. I just hope the club secures the best possible deals.

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2002:> "In their Masters Chambers
They Gathered for their Feast
They Stabbed us with their Steely Knives
But They Just Can't Kill The Beast!" <2016

THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!

You're never going to get over the odds on a player like Hartlett or Russell. Why would a club pay over the odds for a unproven youngster? All you're going to do is replace a player with 2 years development with a player with 0 years development. Silly stuff.

To improve via trades, you need to find someone who is willing to over pay. And the teams who are likely to over pay are those who can see a big prize just out of reach, the premiership. Teams who are close to a shot at a flag, but think they might be one or two players short. The players they want are proven, ready to go types they can slot into their lineup. We only have a couple of those types, but if the right deal came along we'd be silly to turn it down.

The abundance of "trade xxx, trade yyy" posts recently seem bourne out of frustration to me. People are sick of losing and want to do something about it. But the trade table has been Carlton's great white hope for too long. There isn't a quick fix for our situation. Just keep taking our draft picks, and give the youngsters time. Sure if we can do a great deal, take it, but it's a bonus, not a core part of our strategy to improve.

No .............I AM SPARTACUS

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Greg Lee

Yeah Mordo, And we have never perfected it either. Just maybe this year we will get some of the potential deals over the line.

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2002:> "In their Masters Chambers
They Gathered for their Feast
They Stabbed us with their Steely Knives
But They Just Can't Kill The Beast!" <2016

THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!

I think that if we finish last with 3.5wins we should approach the AFL and ask them to reconsider the concession pick rules. We need to argue that 8 wins over 2 years proves that we need help and should qualify for a 1st round pick. Massive penalty to pay by the Blues for a draw against Port last year.

Crikey by the end of this year our winning % over the last 5 completed seasons could potentially be 22.7% and this with the 10 wins in 2004???

What about this for a scenario:

Trade Houlihan or Wiggins and Pick 18 for Pick 4/5

Then we have 1, 4/5, 17 etc

Take out Houlihan and Wiggins and you might find a deal...

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Turkish Proverb

Sorry, Synbad, (I haven't gone through all the pages this week), but, who is your choice for captain for next year?

i'm guessing 3 weeks. Hope I'm right and there's plenty of factors pointing that way at the moment. If I'm wrong we can look forward to another year of hopelessness, no money and feral suipporters. Given the AFL review of the books has shown our losses to be purely match day and membership (besides that, costs and revenue are apparently ok), the only way to get that right is on the field as they've observed. I'm guessing that means one bloke in particular has got problems. Financially, what we lose on the roundabout we more than gain on the swings many times over.

[quote="BrizzyBlue"]As you all know there is heaps of trade speculation at the moment. Let’s face it, we need some of this rumour-mongering to be real to boost our stocks in the coming seasons. I usually discount the majority of the press reports and the player manager leaks like [b]“Joe will nominate for the PSD if he doesn’t get a 3 year contract etcâ€