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This is a sad day in the history of the Carlton Football Club.

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To all those suggesting we need "experience" in the side I have a few questions:


What is it that this mystical "experience" provides?

Is it knowledge about how to screw the club for the most money?

Is it an understanding of how to float around not picking up your man?

Is it how to mumble your way through an interview on the few occasions you bother despite the high marketing component in your salary?

Is it how to employ the biggest [REDACTED] in football as your manager?

Is it how to stand at the back of the group at half-time when one of the club's few real leaders tries to rev up the side?


Just what it is that you think Kouta will be handing our young players when he gives them the benefit of his "experience"?

I keep hearing that Anthony Koutoufides' "experience" will be invaluable for our young blokes but as yet I'm struggling to see what he can say or do for these kids that's of any benefit to the Carlton Football Club whatsoever.

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Effes wrote:
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The thing is- if he has a solid year next year you'll all be cheering him like this thread never existed.


How likely is it that he'll have a solid year next year? He's too slow!

What position is he going to play?

In the midfield so that we have to leave out one of Blackwell/Bentick?
In the forward line so we have to leave out one of Kennedy/Fisher/Waite?


He is too slow and is just taking up a youngster's spot



I'd love our champions to be able to retire on their own terms but thats from an older era, smaller lists have made that a thing of the past. The points made by Effes are the reason the decision should have been taken out of Kouta's hands.


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GWS wrote:
To all those suggesting we need "experience" in the side I have a few questions:


What is it that this mystical "experience" provides?

Is it knowledge about how to screw the club for the most money?

Is it an understanding of how to float around not picking up your man?

Is it how to mumble your way through an interview on the few occasions you bother despite the high marketing component in your salary?

Is it how to employ the biggest F@%&#! in football as your manager?

Is it how to stand at the back of the group at half-time when one of the club's few real leaders tries to rev up the side?


Just what it is that you think Kouta will be handing our young players when he gives them the benefit of his "experience"?

I keep hearing that Anthony Koutoufides' "experience" will be invaluable for our young blokes but as yet I'm struggling to see what he can say or do for these kids that's of any benefit to the Carlton Football Club whatsoever.


That is scary cause it is so true!!
The CFC just can't seem to make tough decisions


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GWS wrote:
To all those suggesting we need "experience" in the side I have a few questions:


What is it that this mystical "experience" provides?

Is it knowledge about how to screw the club for the most money?

Is it an understanding of how to float around not picking up your man?

Is it how to mumble your way through an interview on the few occasions you bother despite the high marketing component in your salary?

Is it how to employ the biggest F@%&#! in football as your manager?

Is it how to stand at the back of the group at half-time when one of the club's few real leaders tries to rev up the side?


Just what it is that you think Kouta will be handing our young players when he gives them the benefit of his "experience"?

I keep hearing that Anthony Koutoufides' "experience" will be invaluable for our young blokes but as yet I'm struggling to see what he can say or do for these kids that's of any benefit to the Carlton Football Club whatsoever.


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GWS your very keen on denigrating club greats arent you...

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GWS your very keen on denigrating club greats arent you...


You settle for mediocrity do you No1Blue?

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GWS wrote:
To all those suggesting we need "experience" in the side I have a few questions:


What is it that this mystical "experience" provides?

Is it knowledge about how to screw the club for the most money?

Is it an understanding of how to float around not picking up your man?

Is it how to mumble your way through an interview on the few occasions you bother despite the high marketing component in your salary?

Is it how to employ the biggest F@%&#! in football as your manager?

Is it how to stand at the back of the group at half-time when one of the club's few real leaders tries to rev up the side?


Just what it is that you think Kouta will be handing our young players when he gives them the benefit of his "experience"?

I keep hearing that Anthony Koutoufides' "experience" will be invaluable for our young blokes but as yet I'm struggling to see what he can say or do for these kids that's of any benefit to the Carlton Football Club whatsoever.


IS it being able to talk to others having torn apart the hot favourite for the 99 flag when no-one gave you any hope? Is it talking to Murph about how to keep in top shape despite what appears to be a career threatening injury? Is it helping someone to became the league's contested possession winner after that injury when you raelise that you can't contest in the air?

I don't know?

But gee as a young player I'ld rather have these guys at the club that can at least talk about what they did and what happened in the miriad of situations that I haven't experienced yet.

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GWS your very keen on denigrating club greats arent you...


Not at all.

I could give you a list as long as your arm of players I'll always respect and admire for the way they played the game and the way they conducted themselves.

Kouta was a great player but he's not on that list.

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What a shambles of a club!!!! Kouta doesn't want to be upstaged by Hird and Archer who will announce that they will continue.

My dear captain, you are not even worthy of shining these players boots, let alone continuing on next year. Call it a day, for goodness sake. Five years too late.

Give your spot up for some younger talent. $300k as reported by some on this site for next year. Are we serious!!!!

This is unfathomable!!!!


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Garthp, you reckon?? My friend you have no idea whatsoever, which is easy to gauge by your posts.


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IS it being able to talk to others having torn apart the hot favourite for the 99 flag when no-one gave you any hope? Is it talking to Murph about how to keep in top shape despite what appears to be a career threatening injury? Is it helping someone to became the league's contested possession winner after that injury when you raelise that you can't contest in the air?

I don't know?

But gee as a young player I'ld rather have these guys at the club that can at least talk about what they did and what happened in the miriad of situations that I haven't experienced yet.


Fine so at half-time last Sunday when the scene was set for a leader to inspire them why would Kouta be hanging around the back of the huddle looking disinterested.

If he was inspiring the young guys I wouldn't mind.

Also, none of this has to do with him playing on for $300K. If he wants to contribute and do the right thing nothing's stopping him from retiring and dropping by the club when he feels like it to chat to some of the young players.

Allison said it on Sunday.

At $200K he'll retire.

At $300K he'll play on.

This is about Kouta and Kouta's bank account.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:03 pm 
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All things said and done, Kouta will play next year.
I think this was a very bad decision made by both the club and player.

What I’d really like to know is what position he could actually play in next year ?

Personally, I can't actually think of one !!!


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No1Blue wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
The thing is- if he has a solid year next year you'll all be cheering him like this thread never existed.


How likely is it that he'll have a solid year next year? He's too slow!

What position is he going to play?

In the midfield so that we have to leave out one of Blackwell/Bentick?
In the forward line so we have to leave out one of Kennedy/Fisher/Waite?


He is too slow and is just taking up a youngster's spot


Then its up to that youngster to force him out. If they're good enough they will.

Kouta played 50 reserves games himself before he was able to push someone out of the team.


Yeh exactly... So what! Kouta has had 1 bad game since he come back from his hand injury...

What im hearing from everyone is typical cliche'd garbage about keeping a youngster from having a spot in the team...

We need experience at the club and Kouta will provide that... I think he will have a better year next year than the one he's had this year...

Its like the criticism of Pagan!... This year I've seen pagan as being much more bold with the youngsters and giving more of them a go than previously... O'Hailpin could have been dropped a couple of times but stuck with him... He has stuck with Russel and Blackwell and is giving young Smith a go...

Kouta is gonna be of good value to the team in 2007... He hasnt been terrific this year but he has been better than what a lot of you make out he has been...


One bad game, you obviously pay scant regard to accountability. You have just shown by the above statements how little you really know about the dynamics of the game.

I can see you in the stands, salivating each time our Captain raises a slow meander through the centre corridor, ball and oposition players nowhere to be seen. Silly.


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No1Blue wrote:
GWS your very keen on denigrating club greats arent you...


Denigrate club greats??? It's the club we follow not the bloody club greats.


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I'm a bit 50/50 about whether he should go on, leaning more to retirement, but to hear denigrating a great is pathetic. But that's football supporters.......weak, fickle and why few ,if any, would have much respect. Just have to look at the difference between last week and this week, or comparisons between support for Fev this year and last year, to see that. Denigrate the club if you don't like the decision, not the player. Not one who's done alot for us.


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I actually never entertained the thought that Kouta would play on. I certainly didn't think the club would want him to, and even though I thought Kouta may want to, I thought we would delicately tell him that his time was past it and it was best to move on. Never did I think the efforts he has put out this year would warrant another year on his contract. I am staggered.

And what surprises me the most, is that I keep getting surprised by the decisions made by this club.


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I'm very pleased to see that many of our posters are able to debate this emotive subject in such a reasonable way...

but very dissappointed to see 1 or 2 playing the man again.

think about how you are posting please.


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Josh Kaplan wrote:
The $315K includes the marketing component..
The thing is- if he has a solid year next year you'll all be cheering him like this thread never existed.


And if my aunty had balls she'd........ probably be too qualified for this board.

Re-signing Whitnall last year..... GUTLESS
Trying to trade Fevola last year ...... GUTLESS
Allowing Pagan to chock up on rejects..... GUTLESS
Re-signing Kouta..................... GUTLESS x INFINITY

THANK GOD CAMPOREALE WAS TOO GREEDY A PRICK TO TAKE OUR OFFER FOR HIM, BECAUSE WE WERE TOO STUPID BACK THEN TO WANT TO CUT HIM LOOSE.

This club is a @#$%&! disgrace. Kouta's efforts this year have been laughable at best.

This is the worst feeling.

Ride on Stevens and ride on Whitnall... this is the club that rewards mediocrity.

ITS THE 1980s AND WE'RE ST.KILDA!!!! @#$%&! I HOPE THE DRUGS ARE GOOD BECAUSE WE'RE GUNNA NEED THEM!!!!

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