Spot on. As I said in the MVP, if you are running at Waite you smile as you sidestep the last second and he runs straight past you every time.

It's not rocket science.

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Maybe I'm irrational but I find trading F/S selections more difficult- Jarrad is Carlton through and through and I would hesitate before taking him...additionally, like Tarrant I would be afraid a move to another club would be just the thing to turn him into the A-Grade footballer he is capable of being

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i like jarrad....he wont be traded and shouldnt be.

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I watched him today and I put him on my votes. He was moving well and to the right spots. He will always do things that make you think he is dumb but those same sorta things can make him a great. He will be an awesome player for us in years to come

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JW goes to ground way too easily because he is stuck in 'cruise mode' Cruise mode is an affliction a few of our footballers have because the benchmark from the senior players is cruise mode.
You know youve made it at Carlton when youre in cruise mode.
JW needs to be taken to CHB and given tasks to concentrate.Where if he goes to ground easily his opponent will kick goals.
He has a few terrible habits now and needs to walk in his fathers footsteps (in defence) to iron them out and make him become a more rounded footballer.

Right now he is a show pony.
He doesnt do much except fly for marks or do the flashy stuff..it usually doesnt work for him.

Huge pre season and....

CHB next year!

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I actually thought he was very lazy ... hardly ever got out of half pace, except when he overcommitted ... stood spectating many times when a lead or move into space was needed.

Needs coaching during games, and to focus on specific issues.

Makes poor decisions at times, today he blazed away when he could see no one was back there, the tigers went coast to coast for a goal.

Both he and Fisher need to keep their feet more often when going for marks, the hit the ground so much now its part of their marking routine. Although i understand the delivery isn't always great and they have to strech to mark which means they will lose their feet, but even when they take simple marks they sometimes hit the ground.

Waite is a super talent and is capable of kicking his 30-40 goals a year, he will get there when we as a team get there. We have to do something with the forward structure, but we have been saying this all year.

Waite has been terribly disappointing this year, but I would never trade him. He just needs the correct coaching.

I agree that a run in defence would be good for his long-term development. But I still think he's one of our better players (despite the mistakes). And I think with a reasonable run with injury, and better players around him, will become a very, very good player in time.

works hard, but he's too dumb.

Waite is a perfect example of our poor youth development program and Pagan's modus operandi..

I remember a TBV reserves game report years ago when Ross Lyon tore strips off Waite for undisciplned play in the back line - probably for the same things he's doing now 5 years later. That's why he was the only player who didn't get a run in that injury-riddled year. Even Davis with his skrawny 13 yr old body got a few games.

But come 2003 he had one thing that gave Den a mini hard-on - he could take a speccy. So in Den's disastrous game plan he became one of the golden haired boys. As long as he could take the odd speccy, his defiencies could be overlooked. You rarely if ever see him get dragged or the runner out to chat with him, so the defiencies continue. Look at young Smith today - 3 mins on, 1 mistake and off. Den has an apartheid system operating - as in "apart-height" - tall is good. I'll bet my balls the thought of taking Kennedy first pick in last years draft would have entered Den's small brain more than once.

Here's what Wisbey wrote about him after Waite was drafted back in 2001:

Waite (46) just a battler? Big mark, big kick but lacks poise, balance, smarts and is a turnover merchant.

Five years on and you could argue that nothing much has changed - except that Waite thinks he's made it (Sheedy picking him in that International side didn't help).

Would I trade him? For a top 10 pick maybe, otherwise no. Even though he remains the same raw talent he was back in 2002, he does have a huge upside and the worry is that, under a half decent coach, he could finally take that huge step. His first round game against Melbourne this year was excellent - his first and only 100 minute game - but he hasn't gone anywhere near that since.

Hopefully a new coaching team devoted to development will at last get Waite on the road to being a disciplined 100 minute performer while still maintaining the wild card element in his game.

Kicked 36 goals injury free last year. This year has kicked 15 goals from 11 games which equates to 30 goals from a full season. Factor in injuries and you've got another 35 goal season this year.

Last year he played 20 odd games, kicked 30 odd goals, top 10 in the B&F and played International rules.
The only thing stopping him having another 1 of these seasons is his injuries. If he can stay on the park he will kick 2-3 goals a game, thats 40+ for the season.

We have other players who have played less games and been given more time.

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We've got way too many 'dumb' footballers in our starting 22. I get sick and tired of hearing the so called experts talk about our forward line 'potential'

We need clever players like Murph and Simmo who can read the play and evaluate a situation quickly. Waite and Fisher need penetration in their kicks, and have to be shown by the best kick in the comp how to KICK STRAIGHT and through the ball.

Again yesterday we let ourselves down with Fisher, Waite and Walker missing easy shots while Raines bangs in his first ever goal from 55 out .

Football's a game of millimetres and taking your chances. If you can't do that, you can't win.

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Too often tries the extraordinary when the ordinary is required.

Boy we need some coaching talent. Our square set ups were shite (Libba) and the forward line structure is terrible.

for a 'developing' team it is very frustrating to watch the same mistakes week in week out. I'm not sure Waite understands what he's supposed to do. Combine that with match fitness and over commitment and he looks horrible at times. He should be making space and damaging sides but he doesn't seem to know how.

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Waite has had a shocker of a 2006, no doubt about it, with injury and a bit of lairising. I think it was the Melbourne game which was his only serviceable game - 2 goals, 8 marks. But after it I thought 'that's what you have to do each week'.

Go back to 2005 though and despite some frustrations with him (kicking, dropped marks) he had a breakthrough year in a new position for mine. the move from rangy wingman to effective CHF was a big step for Waite and I thought with 35 goals or so he did well. Really well. That was the promise of the future.

He lost this pre-season and has lost all of his timing, which remains McKernanesque. Another mid season injury and he's struggling. But he is integral to the team. I wouldn't trade because his upside wont be valued in the current market.

He needs a huge pre-season.

He's only a month or so back from a knee so I'll forgive him…but yes it can be terribly frustrating to watch.

I wouldn't mind seeing him tried in defence for a bit…ditto Fisher

IS frustrating but has enough weapons to be worth persevering with.

Sheedy's open admiration for him sees him become a valuable commodity during trade week - definitely worth seeing what we're offered although it'd have to be pretty bloody good for us to move on it.

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I actually thought he played a good game yesterday. He presented all day when the forward line was stagnant for most of the day. He marked just about everything that he went for. He needs to work out to tackle as this is a frustrating part of his game. As is his kicking but I think that will come with confidence & more games.

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We will never work having a forward line of Fev, Kennedy, Fisher and Waite
Waite has the highest trade value.
Trade Waite for a first round pick
Trade Stevens (not the sort of player we need at this stage) for a first round
we end up with 5 picks in the top20
Now we're getting somewhere

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