Synbadddd AB won't be replaced for a couple of years yet. I've given you 3 players we could try. Heck why not give Smith a go for a few games when it is obvious AB is labouring.

I know we don't have others? You know the game is too fast for AB and he has his work cut out to make the grade. Good luck to him.

Checkmates - I use those??? NIghty night

But you have only said players you can try.. and none have shown they have more than Bentick.. Sith you can play in conjunction with Bentick on and off the bench.. but i dont see what he offers more in the kicking and place stakes.


And Bentick doesnt have to be fast if the rest of the side is fast.

Blackwell is tiny and for the moment lacks grunt.

The people that can do Benticks job right now are Bentick smith and Kouta..

thats it!!!

kouta is washed up and doesnt chase.

smith is exactly Bentick and i feel there is a spot for both of them .

But i wouldnt be throwing Bentick out (or smith for that matter) just yet.

So that means that Bentick is a valuable member of this team..as things stand

which is great!!!

so i dont get the Bentick bashing!!!

Especially with the blue collar stuff he does to help others.

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Why should the MC answer for your opinion of AB? Why don't YOU answer for your opinions??.....

Bentick will be on the list in 2009.

He's contracted for next year and will receive a 2 year deal for the period after that.

Even if we were to pick up 2 fantastic future options in this coming draft for the type of role we want Adam to play that role doesn't lend itself to 17 & 18yo kids generally (see Blackwell).

If at the end of 2009 Bentick's struggling to make the side because others have passed him then we'll have some serious talent in those positions and he might struggle to be re-signed for 2010.

If no-one's passed him by then it'll be because he's developed further and made the role his own (see Sam Mitchell) or because we haven't found anyone better.

You don't axe a player because he's not as good as you'd like him to be when there's no-one ready to take over.

That's just moronic.

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I think we should ask Cg what he thinks.

CG? CG?

ooops sorry

Ohmmmmmmmmm

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Who is over-rating Bentick? Apart from one or two on here, no-one else has pumped him up to be something he's not. Mostly, people are rating him exactly where he should be rated from what I read. And no-one in the media has been singing his praises week in week out. Apart from one or two people on here, the overwhelming majority of people aren't over-rating him at all. He is rated pretty much in line with where he's at in his career.

Who needs opposition supporters coming on to TC when we have so many of our own hacking away at our young players?

AB does the hardwork for us right now that no-one else is prepared to do for whatever reason.

We do not need a team of Rolls Royces - AB's job is to get the ball to the players that can dispose of it well and if he stuffs it up himself so be it.

The effort he puts into the midfield deserves praise and not ridicule.

There are two more rounds of footy to go, lets try and be a bit more positive about the younger guys, rather than ripping them to shreds.

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You wait til you see what we can do to the younger guys over the off-season. This is tame yet.

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12 f***** pages. Who's bashing? I am merely articulating my view and f***** concerns of a particular player. A player mind you who i like and hope makes the grade but who i believe has serious shortcomings and will not.

A hypothetical - how much more has AB brought to our side than the man he has arguably replaced - Jon McCormick?

AB does have a better hair style than JM

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I liked Mc Cormick but Bentick's miles ahead.

Far stronger and able to cope with the physical stuff.

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I actually think Johnny McCormick was hard done by. He was a tough ball magnet who could mark above his size and of similar talent to AB, Carrazzo, McGrath (all of whom should be retained). For some reason Pagan gave him no chance in his second year. Why he lost his place on the list to proven non achievers like Chambers and Longmuir is hard to understand. Never going to win us a flag but I thought he was short changed and would have been valuable. On AB, the type of guy you'd love to succeed. As said above I think most rate him as he is. Our major weakness is midfielders. If he had a few guns around him his value would improve. Plenty to go before him.

Im not knocking those guys, I think they give their all for us out on the field... what im saying is we desperate need players with foot skills in our side..!

You cant see that!!???...

We severely lack class in our side... I'm actually a fan of Bentick moreso than Carrazzo who i believe hasnt come on since last year, but the fact of the matter is we need CLASS in our side and we need it desperately...

You're the one whos just about the most vocal about this, so whats wrong with what im saying... Is it wrong to trade for young skillful long term footballers!.. Give me a break!...

I'd say my idea is quite a logical one, to trade for a player like Giansiracusa, but propably should throw in a more talented player for the trade...

If your saying the trade doesnt add up well then i can understand you.. I dont think Bentick and Carrazzo would add up for a Giansiracusa either... im saying that to take the next step as a football team we need to improve on our SKILLS desperately, because ive found getting the ball isnt a problem for us.. it's the turnovers which are the biggest things that cost us...

All such a shame because without the turnovers we are a competitive unit to the other bottom 8 sides..

Mate, I dont think YOU understand football if you dont think we need skill in our side...!

Ok.. I'll add that i think Whitnall is tradeable.. for the right deal..

What about Whitnall for Giansiracusa and a 2nd rounder... I would be willing to do that trade! As much as I have been happy the way Whitnall has been going.. Then next year we could mix it up and try Waite at CHB for a while..

Im not a recruiting officer!.. I'm just a Carlton fan who has identified for a long while that we need more skill in our side.. Thats what the draft is for but i believe its time to bite the bullet and get our side up the ladder quicker because it's hurting us financially with MEMBERS and SPONSORS!...

We need to show the football world that we're a young team on the rise!.. We need more cash flow and the best way to do that is to show the members we are on the way back and to show the sponsors too...

We can get top 5 picks for the next couple of years and become a gun side in 4 or 5... but at that time we will drop another 5 or 6k and that will be great for our bank balance wont it...

Not all Carlton supporters like us are members no matter what and we need to show that a good strong competitive is right around the corner!..

Which is why we need to TRADE for some good young players with SKILL and why we need to trade!!!...

Now, does that make any sense at all to you??!!....

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enough of the theatrics DUC


last time I checked rose-coloured glasses weren't compulsory here

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There's so much I could say...

Lance for Gia and a 2nd rnder?......think the Bulldogs would want Lance and a 2nd rnder for Gia...and considering Gia is a bit of a pin up boy out West I dont see them trading him for a while.

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Exactly Rod - who's bashing? I've been doing the rounds of Carlton footy forums since 2001 and believe me, this ain't bashing. It's just posters looking at different sides of the AB coin. THose who are looking at the possible downside of this coin, readily acknowledge the upside. It's just that they raise questions about AB in future Carlton sides as we hopefully progress up the ladder.

Ironically it seems it is Sinners - Mr Bash himself - who has brought up the bashing charges and as usual it seems there's plenty that will fall in line behind this Pied Poster of TC. For me, I'm just pleased to know there's at least one player on our list he likes.

You may think I have RCG on budzy and that's your prerogative but I think otherwise and that is my prerogative.

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No1Blue, you haven't told us why the Bulldogs would agree to that trade

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No1Blue - tell me how many trades of any quality have actually come off in the last, let's say, 5 years?

The dogs won't trade anyone of any note, full stop. They may give us Rawlings if we can coax him out of retirement.

We have to GROW OUR OWN, or hasn't that sunk in yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And with AB we are actually growing our own. So for once we are developing someone who really cost us nothing except a spot on the rookie list in 2004 and yet, that's not good enough?

Now, lets look at someone like Russell who cost us a first round pick and jumps at shadows...........great skills out wide on his own but who would I keep if I had to choose? Guess?

Preacher how much of Russell have you seen ?? Please tell me that you have seen all his games... Otherwise i don't think what you are saying about him is warranted. One thing to stick up for AB but to bag Russell at the same time .... Sorry don't agree with Russell comments..

You weren't a Simpson knocker in the early days by chance..

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