Blue Suits function last night

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:44 pm

did he say anything about Gibbs?

as in: "I love Gibbs and will definitely pick him".. or "gee that Tyrant is on the ball about Gibbs".... "we pretty much only read the Tyrant and completely agree that we need to pick Gibbs"..... anything like that???

:waits for someone to post how great it would be to pick Hansen and play him in tandem with Kennedy in the ruck and CHF:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:06 pm

BlueBern wrote:

We had our final Blue Suits function last night.

Guest speaker was Wayne Hughes. Gave a great overview of the recruiting processes he and his team go through. A few points that came through (that I can divulge)...
- Marc Murphy is better than he thought. Exceeded all expectations.
- Bower will most likely play on Sunday
- Josh Kennedy, after being released from hospital, arrived at the club and someone mentioned that he looked taller. Out came the tape, and he has grown about 2cm since arriving. He's now approaching 198cm!! Wayne said that he may be our future ruckman.

Thanks for the insight BB.

Interesting about Kennedy. Those who claim there's no ruckman with Kenendy's athleticism might be right, but then I'd have no complaints if our team contained any one of Sandilands, Cox, Lade, Darcy or Simmonds, just off the top of my head. They look athletic enough to me.

Oh, and good news about Bower too.

Kouta · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:48 pm

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Pickle wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

If we are that desperate for a ruckman, which we are, why not do something that Denis hasn't done for awhile and actually draft one in November.

I don't think that Denis rates them! French started really well last week but we eventually were smashed in the ruck yet again!

That would be true. He played McKernan in the forwardline and made do with Ischenko (sp?) Capuano and Burton in the ruck. Was never one for drafting rookie ruckmen, always recruiting from other clubs to top up.

Hale. Mojo didn't tell me that.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:57 pm

JuzzCarlton wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Pickle wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

If we are that desperate for a ruckman, which we are, why not do something that Denis hasn't done for awhile and actually draft one in November.

I don't think that Denis rates them! French started really well last week but we eventually were smashed in the ruck yet again!

That would be true. He played McKernan in the forwardline and made do with Ischenko (sp?) Capuano and Burton in the ruck. Was never one for drafting rookie ruckmen, always recruiting from other clubs to top up.

Hale. Mojo didn't tell me that.

I stand corrected. 2001 draft

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

thanks BlueBern

Shakin77 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:34 pm

BlueBern wrote:

When Wayne was at Freo in charge of their first draft, they had selections 2, 4 & 5. They knew Collingood was going to take Fraser at #1. They rated Pavlich at 2, but they heard from an inside source that Richmond was going to take Fiora at #3 no matter what. So Freo took Paul Hasleby at #2, Richmond then took Fiora, and Pavlich was theirs at #4.

BlueBern (or someone) can you help me out here. If Richmond was mad keen on Fiora. then how would it matter who the Dockers took at 2? If they take Pavlich at 2. Richmond take Fiora and the Dockers get Hasleby?

It's that the same result? If the Tigers rated Hasleby before Fiora then that would make sense. Sorry. Not trying to be a smart arse. Just confused. (Which isnâ€™t difficult.)

Cheers and thanks for the info. Much appreciated. :-D

kingkerna · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:45 pm

Shakin I think you would find that Richmond would have taken Hasselby if they could have rather then Fiora but preferred Fiora to Pavlich - I think that might have been the situation. So Freo thought 'lets get both of them' rather then Pavlich and Fiora.

Does that make sense?

Shakin77 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:50 pm

kingkerna wrote:

Shakin I think you would find that Richmond would have taken Hasselby if they could have rather then Fiora but preferred Fiora to Pavlich - I think that might have been the situation. So Freo thought 'lets get both of them' rather then Pavlich and Fiora.

Does that make sense?

Yeah that does. Cheers. :-D

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:35 pm

CG wrote

Quote:

The ruck is the most overrated position in football. All you need in there is a good honest trier.

Then I want a great player in the most overrated position in football.

Gary Lyons siad something like that early last year....10 games later he changed his tune and regretted the opinion.

CG, is French a good honest trier? He seems that to me, and the jury would tell you that he's not good enough to feed our onballers.

So Nichols, Percy Jones, Fitzpatrick, WOW Jones and Madden weren't instrumental in winning us flags? Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

A ruchman must do more than try, he must stop the opposition from dominating, and win some. Should be able to mark in defence when needed, and also be able to take a big mark in the forwardline and kick a couple of goals.

I'm not sure what sort of motor Kennedy has, let alone pace, but if he does grow to 200 cm, then he would be in the ruck if Carlton does not recruit a ruckman that is ready to ruck when French is finished (I think he is finished, but we're desperate for a 200cm ruckman)...and rookie ruckmen take 4-5 years to develop.

Kennedy has been recruited as a CHF, and I want a gun CHF, like all of us do (and a CHB and a FB and another couple of gun midfielders) but as the old saying goes..."deperate teams do desperate things"...anything can happen....including ruckmen playing an integral role in winning a flag.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:38 pm

Blue Bern wrote

Quote:

Kids come onto the radar at the National U16s titles. A squad of about 30 are given AIS scholarships, and from that group a team is selected to play the Irish (Murph was vice-captain of his team). Aside from footbal ability they look at other aspects such as character traits. See who puts their own bags on the bus instead of waiting for someone to do it for them, who adapts to sudden changes in training schedules etc.

Wayne has people watching all the major competitions around the country. Although they may not be employed directly by Carlton, many have jobs within the AFL development area, so they are very knowledgable about all the juniors in their states. Recently one of his spies was sent to a QAFL game to watch a kid touted to have a fair bit of talent. Nobody but Wayne and his "spy" new he was going.
Back page of Gold Coast Bulletin on Monday "Carlton looking at ?????"
There's very few secrets left out there.

All teams keeping their cards close to their chests now.

When Wayne was at Freo in charge of their first draft, they had selections 2, 4 & 5. They knew Collingood was going to take Fraser at #1. They rated Pavlich at 2, but they heard from an inside source that Richmond was going to take Fiora at #3 no matter what. So Freo took Paul Hasleby at #2, Richmond then took Fiora, and Pavlich was theirs at #4.

And once again BB, thanks for the response/ information....must have been a really interesting presentation, and probably a good night all round...wish I was there.

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

bondiblue wrote:

I'm not sure what sort of motor Kennedy has, let alone pace, but if he does grow to 200 cm, then he would be in the ruck if Carlton does not recruit a ruckman that is ready to ruck when French is finished (I think he is finished, but we're desperate for a 200cm ruckman)...and rookie ruckmen take 4-5 years to develop.

Bondi from memory the wraps on Josh before he was drafted was that he had great endurance. Wasn't the fastest guy on the lead, but never stopped moving and could cover a hugh amount of ground in a match. It's since come out that he played most of his junior footy in the ruck anyway.

198 is getting up towards real ruckman height, not this 196 pinch hitting business. If he put on another couple of cms before the draft I'd have no hesitation shifting him to the ruck, and (at the risk of setting the Tryant off again) recuiting Gumbleton with pick 1 to play CHF, since he is a little bit stronger mark, a little bit quicker on the lead, a little better at ground level, and a much more reliable kick for goal than Josh. That way when Aisake comes through we can rotate the three of them through ruck, CHF, FP. It might not be as good an outcome as drafting leunberger, but without an extra top ten pick it seems unlikely we'll be able to get our hands on him.

The more I think about it the more it appeals to me. We then draft 2-3 runners with picks 17, 19, 35, and put the onus on Harts and Bower to step-up and claim the key defensive posts.

It's so crazy it just might work! Grow Kennedy ... grow like the wind!!

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