I was being faceious Marci.

Was Mike Fitzpatrick in the board meeting that made this decision?

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Sorry nightcrawler..

My fury on this matter has eroded any sense of humour i have. i need to lighten up!

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C'mon Blueboys!

The injustice that must be rectified is the new criteria for awarding Priority Picks - to wipe the slate clean and start clubs qualification criteria from Season 2006 going forward is an absolute joke.

It essentially means that our wooden spoon is meaningless in 2005.

We should have Picks 1 and 2 this year - as simple as that.

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Another thing, if somehow, by miracle, we do get a pre-draft priority pick, then we will have picks 1 and 2.

Not 1 and 3.

Pick 1, Priority Pick - Carlton
Pick 2, 1st Round - Carlton
Pick 3, 1st Round - scum
and so on

Just to set the record straight

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C'mon Blueboys!

Why don't the board just move on and forget about it. Waste more money over an issue that good management would move on from. I can see it now when we lose that we would appeal, then appeal, then appeal then end up with Clive Waterhouse for all our efforts.

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Hey...........

who's this Smorgan fellow your all talking about...........?


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

No dramas mates. As a general rule, I rarely say anything serious on the main board because the club is so comical these days. I save the serious stuff for the draft board.

More seriously though, I would think it is possible to contest the penalty from '02 without contesting the draft mechanism itself. I'm just dubious about it being successful.

If it works, the other clubs will be spitting chips. If it fails, the club is going to look stupid and ungrateful for taking the AFL to court when they're effectively our financial guarantour.

Absolutely Agro.
This is on par with the anger and injustice of the Black Friday penalties AFAIC. It is an outrage given our results in the last two years.

I think we are a small minority though Agro. Not much widespread condemnation amongst Blues people

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C'mon Blueboys!

dear tommi,
smorgon is the jabberwocky

beware the jabberwocky tommi,

beware the jabberwocky!

sincerely

your two eyed friend

dannyboy

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I agree that contesting the penalties from 2002 is ridiculous and an absolute lost cause.

Contesting this outrageous injustice of denying us a pre-draft priority pick given our poor results in the last 2 years is an absolute priority.

The injustice of the whole situation is disgraceful!

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C'mon Blueboys!

Because people are not understanding the new Priority Pick System.


Priority Picks have been awarded to remedy those clubs who are not performing.

The adjustment to the rules are fair enough to avoid Clubs tanking down in 1 season (a la Collingwood in season 2005).

But for the flower at the AFL to change the system and say that the criteria for awarding Priority Picks will be based on performance from Season 2006 onwards - is manifestly unjust to Carlton whose poor season in 2005 counts for nothing.

For us to get a Priority Pick prior to the first round now we will have to finish with another wooden spoon in 2007 (which may just still be possible).

Its a joke and is simply FURTHER DRAFT PENALTIES INFLICTED ON US BY STEALTH.

If we turn around and do a season 2004 next year and end up with Picks 9 and 25 and then have another shit year in 2008 finishing on or near the bottom we will be reamed again.




We manifestly deserve Picks 1 and 2 in this years Draft.

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Spot on Agro ! its a double whammy.

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All my dangerous friends

Agro, you have succincted it perfectly.
The only problem is that under strict interpretation of the criteria, the premiership points acquired last year does exclude us under the new rules. But this shouldn't be the issue.

It is simply a gross injustice and devoid of any decency and morality do deny Carlton this priority pick after 2 wooden spoon years, with cumulative premiership points of 32 (out of 176 - 18%!!!) and given that the rules are vague enough to allow for broad interpretation and that it is a transitional year for the rules and there is no justifiable reason to strike our extremely poor results from last year from consideration

But there is no point us talking about it here, the club needs to stand up to this injustice

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C'mon Blueboys!

I have emailed Michael Malouf/Chris Argent on this exact point earlier this week - but I fear the issue may have been lost in other controversies .

Some facet of club resource should be working on this issue as we speak.

I dont want to hear any crap response from the AFL about too late to do anything as it will prejudice this draft.

This response will be TOTAL BULLSHIT - if it was alright for the AFL to prejudice the 2002 National Draft at the 11th hour to ream us right royally - it is alright for the AFL change the draft in 2006 to actually assist us - there is plenty of time its still a couple of months away.

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If they dont go ahead with it.... FITZY.........

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I'm just about ready to believe the PP for Pagan conspiracy theory.

There's one thing this week that still has me scratching my head (aside from all the bullshit). Maybe someone can explain this.

Adrian Gleeson apparently went into that meeting convinced that Pagan should go and that Brown's money should be used to pay him out so Mitchell could take over.

We then hear that Demetriou has been on the phone to Smorgon over the course of the "process".

When the final vote is taken it's 10-0 to keep Pagan.

So Gleeson voted to keep Pagan.

Why?

People keep suggesting that the AFL is holding something over us but if this is the case then I'd expect this board to leak what that might be. Everything else seems to leak out.

And why wouldn't Gleeson vote for what he believes anyway. 9-1 is hardly that different to 10-0.

But what if the AFL offered a bribe of some sort.

An extra PP for "extraodinary circumstances" is the obvious one.

If I was in that meeting and I was Gleeson I'd vote for that too. Brown and co can always stage a coup after the pick's handed over.

And then today Synbad posts that CFC want to challenge the AFL on the PP issue. Why now? Obviously we realise we don't have the cash to take a legal challenge all the way but what if we were to threaten to do it and the AFL were to miraculously cave in before it went too far?

Something's a little strange in all this.

I'm not into conspiracy theory crap but if someone can explain Gleeson's actions I'd be grateful.

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How good would it be if we could get a pp in this draft.. sack pagan and the board in the same few months???

What a ripper 2006 it would have been....

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Not the answer I was looking for...

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Turkish Proverb

I blame Ron Barassi (tongue firmly planted in-cheek) for not having the foresight to play John LLoyd and Ricky McLean for enough games so we could pick their kids up as Father/Sons...........lol.

As for Goddard, soft outside player, who never has an opponent, and picks up easy kicks. I think have have enough of those types. If we got him and Wells, we'd may have ahd a different midset and not picked up Simmo and Fisher later in that draft. Then again Brock McLean would've been nice in 2003, although we did get lucky getting Stevo in the PSD that year. Could've got both though. Then again, we have Pagan so we still probably would've won the spoon irrespective of who we had.