Has Murphy has struggled like everyone else?

Get me five of these soft, outside players who can kick 70 metres.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OMxe-_fstk

Did you see him stand up in a tackle and dish off a handpass to Harvey last night?

Or cut off a forward thrust in the first half with a good mark?

He's light years ahead of Fisher and Waite and his skills would be great in the middle or out wide.

Marci...I know, it's blooody hard to keep the emotion out of all this, especially at the moment. Am listening to 3AW's discussion of our situation at the moment, and its depressing! But nice to find someone who can critically look at their own thoughts...nice one.



GWS...that thought had crossed my mind too...hard to see how that would have been kept quiet.

Fraser Brown on AW now.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

If they manage to get us our priority pick back in this draft I'll vote them back in, regardless of how incompetent they appear to be. Answer me this, who would you rather have on our list next season, Brendan Goddard or Lauchlan Hansen?

I won't keep my hopes up however.

I'd rather have them out, a board can ruin the greatest lists

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'll take the pick and then vote them out thanks.

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Rubbish, a coach can ruin the greatest list. The only thing the board has to do with the list is to decide who coaches and runs it, and making sure they get the best facilities possible.

They might ruin the "club" by being incompentent but then its amazing how quickly a club can turn around when the team starts having success on the field and with Pick 1, 2, 17, 19 in this draft would go a long long way to getting that success.

But as I said, I doubt it will ever happen.

glad you have an opinion andain but you are wrong - show me a flag won with a piss weak board.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Chicken and the Egg. Is the team strong because the board is strong or is the board strong because the team is strong?

I personally don't think the board has much to do with it. Elliot was an shocking President with a bunch of yes men on the board surrounding him during the latter period of his reign at Carlton yet we still played off in finals series and in a grand final.

see people think Elliott was successful for mnine he was hopeless and my reason - have a look at the list of greats we had from 1986 - 2001 and we won 2 flags - only two!

Geroge Harris and his Boards would have won 4 or 5 with that list!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Look, I've explained this many times before, but I'll do it again.

Lets say you are the AFL in 2002, Black Friday, deciding an appropriate penalty.

You decide we lose picks 1 and 2 and 35 in 2002 ND, and 1 first round pick and 1 2nd round pick from 2003 ND. We lose 5 picks. A set number of picks, a relatively deterministic penalty in view of the unpredictability of finishing position in the future.

SO we were penalised 5 picks, considered an appropriate penalty by Evans and co.

So how would anyone then justify losing a PP only if we earned it? The AFL could never justfy such a variable penalty.

They could not say you lose 5 picks or 6 picks. They had to determine how many picks.

It is that simple.

100% behind you on that dannyboy.

i have no doubt that all along our no. 1 priority should have been (and still should be) to address the business side of the club. regardless of the issues surronding denis, you do not win premierships with a failing administration. it starts from the top.

i think the events of this week highlight where the focus should lie. in the end this week was not about our coaching issues, it was about poor leadership and management.

get it right at the top and the right decisons will be made about the football department - regardless of whether it is denis, barry mitchell or bozzo the clown.

ideally the two go hand in hand - however, with the resources available (or lack of) we should be focusing on one thing at the time..............pick the mark, take aim and fire!

dannyboy wrote



Put that in BLUSEUM.

It started with power trippers, and the first of those was Ian Rice in the 1979 takeover; silvertails.

The flags we should have won and didn't are in bold:

79,80,81,82,83...86,8788...93,94,95,96,97,98,99,00,01,02

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Get a fair dinkum board and you'll get a fairdinkum marketing plan, and be in touch with the supporter base, give the team everything they need to be successful, keep the supporters happy and attract the big sponsors that are out there.

You've got to have a strong board, united by a business plan, to achieve success. Our history tells us so.

Players for one, should only be focussed on their performance on the field, and not be disrupted by side issues.

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Absolutely.

It's like a brothel.

The board provide the housing.

The supporters set the atmosphere.

and the players .... well then all they have to do is do their job.

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But who gets the head job?

Headplant the issue shouldn't be about the penalties imposed upon us by the AFL in 2002.

The issue should be about the change in rules this year which see us denied of a clearly manifestly Pick 1, 2 and 18 in this years draft not bloody Pick 1, 17 and 18.

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Yes, I agree AGRO. I was just correcting some of the silly claims about the AW pick being inconsistent ...

Yes, to put it another way; the fact that we lost that first priority pick goes against logical justice. A team that abuses the salary cap to win a premiership cannot have its priority pick taken away as it does not have one. Thus, they would be penalised less although their crimes are identical.

If we look at things as they stand now, we are between a rock and a hard place. Perhaps the reason that we did not take action on the issue of the 2002 priority pick earlier was, at least partially, based on the “what you lose on the swings…â€

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Apparently there's a kid called GibbSenBerger??

I think the reason they didn't take the AFL to court over the draft penalties may have been because the new board had just come in and realised that there was no money to go to court with.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Not necessarily inconsistent A team which just won the premiership could instead have been penalised maybe 2 additional first round picks in subsequent years.


What we could and did say back then was that it was far more severe than the penalties handed to Essendon* for similar offences.