SA Blue wrote:
This is the biggest load of crap, and stinks of the blind Pagan bashing that reeks on this site. I do agree that we should draft Gibbs, but 90% of DP picks being duds, that is just crap. We have only had 2 full drafts to choose from, the others have been affected by the penalties Elliott and his cronies got us. On this site Pagan has now been blamed for the potential drafting of Gardiner and Hansen and correct me if I am wrong, but we haven't had the draft YET!!!
I would like to see how how Russell, Hartlett, Murphy, Kennedy, Bower and Edwards can be considered duds.
We have a good draft team in place and Pagan should have a good influence on the selections. Ultimately though, the wisdom of Hughes should decide who we pick.
I'm not including the kids.
I was referring to the rejects from other clubs.... perhaps a closer read of the post is in order.
ESPECIALLY the point about the management of the list being much larger than the tenure of a particular coach. I would prefer ultimately to see someone in the role that WASN'T the senior coach, whomever that may be. Its a working model that exist well at other clubs.... other clubs that recognise that too much of a coach's tenure is invested in his list management for his own immediate benefit. Thats not the way these decisions should be made. There has to be 3-5-10 year strategies in place.
Pagan, for example, has failed to show us any long-term strategy. Its chipping and changing and bringing in players he can work with immediately who fail.
I'm curious, Cazzesman, how much say Pagan had in the 2003 draft selections?
Walker would have been a Shane O'.... but the others??? I wonder was Shane O'Sullivan certain that Jordan Bannister was a better long-term prospect than Michael Rischitelli? OR how much say did Pagan have over AT LEAST the strategy for that draft????
I might be funny or angry but I want answers!
Here is my assumption, and I would LOVE someone to prove me wrong about this, because its only an assumption.
1) Wayne Hughes picks the teenagers
2) Pagan has direct input into what "senior" players are picked and where (including during the draft or in trades). I would suspect that when it comes to trades he runs the whole show.
Am I wrong??
The fact remains:
1) he has failed dismally at HIS part of this (ie, number 2)
2) he has a limited future at Carlton,... and maybe a REALLY limited future if you get my drift
END OF STORY
YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE. TAKE ANY OR ALL OF THE RECRUITING FUNCTION (ie, part 2) AWAY FROM PAGAN, AND DON'T LET HIM ANYWHERE NEAR WAYNE HUGHES!!!! EVEN A HINT OR A WINK AT A WATER COOLER SCARES ME!!!