According to Caro all carefully designed to undermine Denis and encourage him to walk, but it won't happen.

Caro and Hutchy are playing King makers.
They are suddenly great Pagan followers. I suspect its a bit of a game for them.

According to Caro, Carlton are being offensive to Pagan.
I'd suggest Mott, Bowyer, Kenna, Chambers, Longmuir, Martyn, Johnson, Clarke etc are offensive to me.

The rebuild you're having without having a rebuild.

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This is why we vote a board in. Good work for once Smorgo.

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The only thing offensive is Caro's ugly fat hare-lipped face.

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so that explains the lisp!

Didn't hear it, but it sounds like Smorgo might have just said "no gardiner" and saved us all some heartache..... if we ultimately do pick Gardiner now he'll have a bit of egg on his face now won't he...!

Perhaps the club are picking up on my other thread of banning Pagan's list management move Maybe they're taking that ultra conservative short-term solution I recommend in that thread.....

hopefully the next step is to create a structure that takes all list management out of the hands of the senior coach, no matter who it is... Other than getting his input players in and out.

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Overruling Pagan for the benefit of the Club doesnt necessarily follow to the later bit. If Pagan had his way we'd still have Sporn and Teague in and the kids wouldnt get games. If only for Russells illness Setanta would have been dropped. Pagan needs to be overruled for the benefit of our Club. If that means some on the Board feel we made a mistake in recontracting (nitially) then so be it, but he's an awfully expensive man to dump.

HERE HERE!!!!!!

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Does Graham Polak fit our youth policy? 73 games, 22yo, 197cm on the outer at Freo.

Why all the fuss about Gardner. Yes we need a ruckman but we need defenders just as badly.

If it was Gardner v Polak in the PSD I wouldn't be thinking twice.

the day gets better.... now Thornton and Fisher are in contract dispute. The club are offering T-bird 210,000 for 2 years while his manager is sourcing offers of more cash and 3 years. I like the attitude of not being dictated to by greedy players, but I reckon Thornton would be the sort of bloke you put on 3 years, our backline would be irrefutably discgraceful without him next season.

So we'd pay Kouta, who's on his last legs, more than we'd offer Thornton. Interesting

If the club thinks Thornton will sign for less than Kouta, that's a joke. Thornton is far more valuable, has had to play under far more duress - for stress money, he should get an extra 50K/year alone...playing alone on the best forward every week for the last 4 years.

And less than Waite as well...Waite signed for 3 years at about 800K...

How much is Fisher being offered?

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the problem with what they have been doing is theyre giving the dosh to blokes like Kouta/Lappin and Lance.. and its kids like T Bird who have been the front liners.

Now if i was Thornton id be thinking to myself.. "How come its Kouta and Lance that get the big money when im getting the big jobs?"

and thats what happens when you have no idea about where the worth of your football club is...

Its not on slow or old players that are past being front liners..!!!

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The backline would not be disgraceful without TBird we have Lance 'unlucky to not be an All Australian ' Whitnall.

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Classic!

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Look, these 24 year and under proclamations by the board are stupidity.
Each case is different and it all depends.
They sound good but what happens in 24 months if Judd wants to come to Carlton??

"Sorry Juddy.. you dont fit the profile".

Just more stupidity......

You might use that as a guideline in your recruiting profile inhouse but you just dont go telling the whole world its a hard and fast rule...

Just sheer stupidity... its a club that just doesnt have a clue at the moment.

And you just have to keep coming back to the Kouta decision... why sign him for around 300k and have half of that being paid outside of the salary cap when we need money???

It wouldnt suprise me if Fisher and Russell are trade bait anyway...

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I completely disagree. Its not stupidity, its setting the scene for what we are suposedly trying to do. Its part of our overall plan (or should be) regarding strategy, finances, playing list. Id much prefer an announced plan and the Footy Department having to seek OK to trade for anyone outside of the rules.

Or even better lets have a youth policy....

By the way has anyone ever seen it?

That says:

Over the years Carlton has at times given away early draft picks for experienced players from other Clubs. Given the result of this strategy, a contributor to our decline over 2002 to 2006, Carlton shall adhere to a recruitment policy as follows:

* CFC will utilise all Top 50 draft picks on the best available young player in the draft. At this stage of our rebuilding we will look for:
- players of great character
- leaders of the future

* CFC may seek to utilise later picks or PSD choices on older players as long as:
- Under 24 (23 ) years of age
- Good track record (define)
- For positions of identified list weakness.

Our Youth Policy shall remain in place until the 2007 National Draft, and be reassessed at or before that time depending on progress overall.

Agree Molsey,

I have absolutely no problem with Smorgon (not a fan of his normally by the way) articulating where we are going with our recruiting. Other clubs have subtly or directly been putting these messages out to their members for years.

We keep saying we want a vision from the board, and then when Smorgon actually articulates a part of one we start to hop into him and say it isn't good enough.

Well, I reckon that stating we aren't looking at anyone over 24 this year is a pretty fair start - and I'm happy he said it

No sorry.. its stupidity... you cant have black and white rules when youre running something as liquid as a footy club...

You may have particular guidelines.. but nothing is set in stone. .. just doesnt work that way.
If Cox was available next year would you look at him???

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Why have a plan then? If someone good comes along you work it in. Its the intent behind the Club and that intent despite the best efforts of some within the Club is to rebuild. You do that by having a youth policy.