Synbad wrote



You're becoming a little emotional now don't you think Synbad....confusing? Not the slightest. I appreciate your passion and your expectations, but I don't play fools games, and I certainly don't understand your logic of attack.

What concerns me regarding your logic, is in context to failure to fairly consider the following:

When did Smorgon take on the Presidency?
What condition was the club in when he took it over?
If the situation was disastrous:
1. who left it in that state
2. how much time would you give someone to achieve your objectives?
3. How long did it take Hawks to conjure a blueprint, let alone execution?
4. Was Hawthorn in the same position as Carlton when they scoped their plan?
5. Did Smorgon sell out to the AFL, or was he left holding the baby?
6. Where is the fairy godmother, and could anyone else have got the money from her, if she exists?
7. Has Smorgon not pressed flesh? (are you stalking him?)
8. Is Carlton in a better position now than when he first took on the presidency?

I subscribe to your expectations, but I think you're being illogical when you fail to align your previous comments with your expectations. You are impatient. You have previously stated we have a tarnished brand, and wouldn't be attractive to anyone; we'll take 5-10 years to recover; Collins sold out; We are broke; We need a youth policy...You can't have it both ways (yes you can, its apublic forum). The point is, would anyone else have done a better job? Who? Why?Why not? They don't exist!!

Has Smorgon been given enough time to sort through this mess? I don't think so, and I'm not a fan of his either, I find him boring. But what I do know of his predecessors: Collins didn't keep all his promises, and left us with a heap of shit to sort out, stopped the bleeding but sold us out and so on (although I appreciate him putting his hand up in times of need)...and Elliot...well we know what happened there..(he didn't have the money to take the AFL to court, and then there were the laggers). Smorgon hasn't had the time to be as bad as those 2, and the previous president, the evil Rice. He's too boring to be that evil.

Thanks for your reply, and I agree with what you expect of him. I'm just starting to hear him deliver and I'm giving him time to meet my expectations (which are similar to yours), in the hope that with within a reasonable timeframe he will get us to a better position than when he started. I'm just giving him the benefit of doubt; I'm not confused on that.

We just don't agree with a 'timing' issue in our expectations.

Hey, and if Browny can bring his paperbag to the club (the money) and assemble a better people and better deal for the Carlton Football Club, to further prosper the club, then frankly I'm all for it; when they make it happen, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't...Next...

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You'll read about it in tomorrows Age as it was the backpage segment that is was mentioned in with the Age journo.

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Then way you write ? very funny

Perhaps you should re read what he said, without the anti-Smorgin glasses.

What he said is quite clear, there is a focus on youth. That does not preclude getting older players, just means it is far less likely to be a priority.

A reasonable statement.

Is that so hard to comprehend, or accept?

But hang on, how old's Polak???

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Synbad wrote



My answer to that is as the quote below and ask the same questions:

Synbad wrote



Now you have found the root of my confusion. Why is this so?

Is it because we really can't afford to pay out Pagan? Well at least in a coup style campaign with Browny?

Is he (and the board) policking to make his position untenable? Making it too hot in the kitchen for Pagan.

Pagan will take the money, and stay firm. Stubborn is old Denis.

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Polak is 22

Head plant is that the youth policy statement on our website

I'd take Polak, unless there's a better choice at pick #1 (that would play 100 games/ 5 years).

Maybe we can get him at pick #16 in the PSD if he really puts a big price tag on himself and declares Carlton as his only future home.

I don't believe the rumour though. FFS Polak is in the squad of a team that's playing in a prelim this Friday and maybe a possible inclusion for a GF, if their are any mishaps/ injuries.

Maybe he's been told that there are 2-3 others in front of him.

Maybe the reason Connolly named him emergency was to raise his value for trade bait.

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Yes, so he's ruling out injury prone people like Gardiner, etc, which frankly I think is welcome.

It is clearly ruling out previous decisions to go for mature bodied, but less skilled players, the ones many are using to criticise the Board for previous decisions, which people have argued must have been approved of by the football department and the Board.

Now you can throw up all kinds of extreme examples of situations in which a player over 24 may be attractive, but lets face it, it is not likely there will be any come up this year in whom we will have much interest, or worthwhile trading currency.

So I don't see any problem in him stating the policy. From my own perspective, I cannot see any player over 24 I would want becoming available this year.

I told you the problem with Synners
He has a barrow to push and he sticks with it- you will never get him to budge in the slightest about ANYTHING
Its why we love him.. but its also an area he lets himself down in.

Richmond leads in the chase for Polak

I wouldnt have an agenda if the club was on the ball....

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Ripping Journalism that....

Am I dreaming or wasn't it reasonably common knowledge that he was spoken to earlier in the year by Carlton AS HOPEFULLY ARE ALL OUT OF CONTRACT PLAYERS

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Gerry Atric wrote:



Smorgon's statement does not say that the player can be 24 OR likely to play 100 games.

His statement uses AND between the age and the likely number of games.

The expected number of games/years qualifies the age, it is not 2 separate criteria.

Smorgon's statement, read verbatim, does preclude us from pursuing anyone over 24 years of age.

Headplant wrote


Unfortunately Headplant, Smorgon's statement, if adhered to, does preclude recruiting Cox, or anyone else over 24.

regards
Ockham

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I think the point is...they shouldnt make statements willy nilly... just because they sound good at the time.. because somewhere .. somehow.. theyre going to bite you on the arse!

Especially the president who is overuling his coach.. who he just backed to stay.

All he needs to do is meet with Pagan and get Pagan to make a statement.. "Gardiner isnt coming"

How hard is that???

Or cant they organise that between themselves that they have to sit there and turn something small.. (Like Gardiner isnt coming) into something complicated.. (ages.. types of players.. blah blah)

That in a nutshell says alot about the clubs current situation...

PS Denis had to call Gardiner and father manager last night to tell him its not going through

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If Fraser Brown was made president and he came out and said the exact words Smorgan said, the same people bagging Smorgan for the statement would be praising Brown.

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Come on God I thought you would be smarter then that!! You're starting to let yourself down

Browns not that dumb or naive to say that...that’s a comment only Smorgon would make because he hasn't got the slightest clue about footy

Yeah, you are right. Brown wanted to make his mate Ratten senior coach, someone who is coaching a second division team in the EFL. Brown is god.

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"Davies could eventually become a player of Judd's ability" - Paganite03 Click here to see for yourself!

Maybe he did.. maybe he didnt.. but were stuck with Denis and he is loathed... and the board know it but cant make a change.

At least he acts.

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