That's the good smack this place has needed for a while. The patch the club is in is bad, even dire, but the sooking and bull$hit around here is as worse as anything going on at the club.

What if the Saints hired SOS as head coach? It would not be negative news of any sort in the media or amongst Saints supporters. There would be fanfare and pats on the back...

But, then you'd all have a chance to cry about how we were too slow to go through the process of interviewing the best possible candidates possible or similar whine, whine, whine.

If this news is true, wear it with f*#king pride. The man hasn't even had a chance to prove himself yet. If he turns out to be successful..what then?

Sure, he's not too magnetic as a special comments man but he's highly respected in the football world for his understanding of the game and proven ability to teach younger players at other clubs.

On top of that he's Carlton legend FFS.

Appreciate all of that mate but.........history is full of absolute AFL/VFL Champions who have failed disastrously as Coaches.

Royce Hart.....Kevin Bartlett.....Francis Bourke.....Tim Watson....Ian Stewart....Gary Ayres....Peter Knights....Wayne Schimmelbusch....etc etc.

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Leigh Mathews, Ron Barrassi, Paul Roos and Malcolm Blight to name a few. Lets give the guy a chance before we shitcan him.

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Interesting article in the Geelong Addy( which is unusual) Kingsley obviously has not a lot of time for Thompson but reckons the best coach he has had in any form is Hinkley. Not the greatest player(pretty good though) but by all accounts a good coach.And he has more experience having run the ship at Camperdown with success then moving on as assistant at the Saints and Geelong. Would we even consider giving Kenny a call particularly as from radio reports Thompson is safe in 2007.

Bottom line.Hinkley has more experience than SOS and we need well credentialed new faces around the club.

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Exactly. Some people have agendas and can't see trees for wood.

There's one word that comes to mind when defining the process and timing of recent events: turmoil.

Molsey put it in pragmatic terms



We've got the kids, we've got the draft selections and we've got the future to look forward to. We have gaps to fill, and a board to change, including coach and mc, but all that should take time, and we must be patient. It's heading in the right direction; transition takes time.

If you think that SOS isn't the one, and we find that Bond, McKenna or Longmuir don't want to leave their assistant coach position with stable clubs to come to our unstable situation,as expected, who else is out there that we wouldn't be taking a punt on? Not much.

SOS is the most practical replacement for Elshaug atm. When do we expect a decision? Yesterday isn't going to happen.

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The most practical replacement for Trout???

What are his coaching philosophies bondi??
Can you lay them out to us???

SoS is nothing more than a counter measure / insurance measure against Sticks from Pagan.. in return he gets to be coach in 2 years.

thats all...

Unless someone can tell me what he is actually done as coach... (apart from the one on one coaching of a Swan defender and some work with the Dogs backline... By the way the Dogs backline works because of their overall gameplan based on a running midfield... (Thanks Rocket)

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Well all you're saying is that I don't know SOS' philosophies. So what? I don't know anyone of the candidates' philosophies. Do you? Does Malthouse? Does Eade? I'm sure there's a bit of something dark in everyone's closet; the old achilles heal.

You have to consider the possibility that all your A list assistants wont be considering coming to Carlton. You're dreaming. Unless there's an agenda. SOS' arrival is perhaps being conditional in nature, that he has the coaching role in 2009? Keeps Sticks off Pagan's back?...

No, not for me. I can see a faint possibility that SOS comes because of loyalty, and maybe a bit of the above crap, but I think it's just a rumour.

But if the A list decline the offer, and SOS isn't the new assistants, who is? That's the scary part.

We are desperate. We need development coaches, assistant coaches, recovery coach, sprint coach, endurance coach, skills coaches; all positions are priorities and no position can remain unfilled much longer. Then there's the dust that must settle between the board, the other ticket and the coach ( Pagan ).

You think the presidency is a problem. He's the least of our priorities right now when you consider the other gaps we have to fill.

The joint is in turmoil. The trade period is not far away, and we must make this place an attractive place to be, if we are to take advantage of the privy position we are in.

So isn't there posibly a scenario, such as now, that you would welcome SOS (if he became available) if not one of the A Listers were interested? You aint got much choice, and you can't just sit there and do nothing, and waiting for nothing to hapeen before December or March, because we have a footy team full of kids and a club to look after.

I say good luck if we get SOS, or anyone of quality and good reputation.

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What are any prospective assistant coachs' philosophies? What are Mark Harvey, Brian Royal, Chris Bond, Guy McKenna, Don Pyke etc's philosophies? Who are you to even expect that they'd even be adumbrated to you? You just don't want SOS at the club and as you concede the reasons go beyond what he can bring as a coach on face value...

The bloke has reportedly been endorsed by players and staff at three different clubs now, personally Synbad I'd back their opinions over your clearly prejudiced agenda which attempts to downplay the contribution he's made at the Bulldogs.

I realise that just because he was a good player doesn't mean that he will be a success as a coach but you have to start somewhere. I'd like to think that the Fullback of the Century could impart some sort of useful knowledge to our young defenders as he has obviously done to players at other clubs' benefit. One thing that SOS certainly would have is the players' respect having been such a champion of the club.

I just think we're pre-judging things and not giving a bloke a fair go because of the perception of him as "old Carlton" etc. Let's give him a chance!

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What was Roos experience before he became coach of the Swans?

It seems Eade has given SOS a great wrap for his part time work at the Bulldogs, where he also sat in the coaching box on match days.

The point is, I can be an armchair expert and say SOS may be a great assistant, or not. I don't really kmow do I?

Yeah but... what im saying is someone said they think that SOS is the right man for the job but they dont know any of his coaching philosophies anyway...


Just goes to show how people think....

Whats Roos got to do with SOS????

I think some of you are really losing the plot now....
The SOS appointment (if it happens) has nothing to do with coaching ability and everything to do with politics...

Roos was brought in through the Swans coaching system and had nothing to do with politics..

Amazing how people process simple stuff...

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Surely people here don't believe that he would come to Carlton on the proviso that he is "guaranteed" the senior coaching position in 2 years time.

He may have said he would like to be groomed as a senior coach (not necessarily for us but in general). All assistant coaches should be developed in that manner.

SOS coming to Carlton would be awesome for our backline. He is shocking as a special comments person but being good at one does not mean you will be good at the other.

Ken Hinkley was mentioned because Kingsley said he was the best coach.....I'm sure Archer & Stevens would say Denis is the best coach in their eyes.....what does that prove.....in SOS we have someone who's worked on a part time basis at 3 clubs and all have lauded his work.
If he comes, he brings experience & knowledge from other clubs to us and we can't go wrong.

Why is he considered by some as Denis' YES man? What has he done to have you reach that conclusion?

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The Roos appointment was all about politics, the swans board were not going to appoint him, but the swans fans pressured the board and they relented. Wallace was the board's choice for the Swans, but Roos won a few games at the end of the year as caretaker coach and the board was forced to change their minds. Far from a professional 'process' they were just lucky it worked out for them.

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But what was he doing before that?

He wasnt appointed to shore a board up or to shore a coach up though was he???

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Is SOS there to provide support for the coach, or is he there to provide support to the board before a December AGM? It just looks to me like Smorgon is getting ready to clear the decks of Denis if he needs to win an election. SOS can be the new Cabin Boy

Before that IIRC he coached in the United States for a year or two before returning to the Swans as assistant coach.

It could be argued he had less experience then in coaching than SOS does now.

I'm not arguing that SOS is not a political appointment, it obviously is (there a good and bad political appointments and I think this will be a good one), just saying that Roos most certainly was a political choice when he became senior coach.

I know why you are upset about this, it may shed a positive light on the board.

I don't think you have anything to worry about though, doubt that it will make any difference to the outcome of the next election.

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SOS is a counterbalance.
He was a counterbalance to Sticks in the Elliot saga.

Then he is on the board for 6 months and leaves .. he didnt stay on the board to help out did he???

Noe Pagan needs an ally.. he attempts a masterstroke.. who else can be the counterbalance against Sticks??? Who will people support as much as Sticks??... SOS!!!

But SOS wants guarantees...

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It weill be really good to have Silvagni back at Carlton. Great news.

Interestingly last night on "White Line Fever" Caro, (yes, I know), stated that SOS has an appointment with Geelong next week to talk about an assistant role there. When asked "So he's not going to Carlton?" her reply was "Would you?"

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If she was talking about going near her with a 15 foot barge pole the answer would probably be the same.

She should roll over and die and get over the fact Carlton despite the last few years of ineptitude will always be more successful than the bunch of arse clowns that she and her family have been involved with - and no matter how much vindictive bile she throws at the club she will never change that fact.

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