Fascinating Melvey. Cna you give me a clue as to who has his hand up Brown? Any other takers? club29 - you're good with this sort of stuff?

We might see some progress?...

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I don't know... sometimes I think we just want to believe that there's a bit of conflict... especially with those that don't like Pagan.

Pagan last week was talking about how much he rates the kids at Carlton, and how well Bower did in his first two games etc... I guess that was all lies then...

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GO YOU BIG RED FIRE ENGINE
Move aside Kouta, Lance etc - you're holding us back... from entering the under 18s

Conflict in itself isnt a bad thing, and youd expect it at a footy club and even more so while we're trying to find a way through the quagmire.

I dont agree wolfy that Pagan was lying. I think he'd be very happy with most of the kids coming through and looking forward to using them when the time is right. That's the crux and the upside of being bottom and Im sure he's salivating about say 5 more top 50 picks this year - he's always commented on talent and he's getting it..almost half a team in top 40-50 picks in the last 3 years so thats great. The difference comes down the development strategies and when / how to blood players. Its clear to me that Pagan has a different view to Kernahan and Im sure Pagan has no doubthe's pushing the right cause. As is Kernahan. Add the 'business decision' need for us to play kids and its a natural source of conflict, as evidenced by TC!

Its all about development. Pagan has a different view to Kernahan.

Sorry Molsey, I was being a bit facecious there!

You're right - it's good to have a bit of conflict there... you need to have ideas challenged (in general), so that you can continue to believe in them.

In essence, it's clear then that Pagan and Kernahan are on the same page - they want the same ends, but they have differing opinion on how to get there... I think on TC though, there are some people who'd like to believe that this is creating a massive friction at the club, and that there is more "turmoil" that's tearing our club apart... when in fact it's just healthy debate on how to best move forward given that we have some good talent.

This could be a sign of the "tabloid" times!

Whether it was the right or wrong method, or the Sticks or Pagan method, most of the kids made good progress this year... and that's all that matters.

It was disappointing that a lot of the kids weren't given a run in the VFL over the last couple of weeks. Our 3 best players were Setanta, Russell and Blackwell... the older "go-tos" let us down badly... why Bower, Jackson etc weren't played is beyond me, and I doubt whether that would be Denis or Sticks who made that decision... perhaps Mitchell is the bad guy after all!

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GO YOU BIG RED FIRE ENGINE
Move aside Kouta, Lance etc - you're holding us back... from entering the under 18s

Yeah Mitchell is the devil re-incarnate.

Mitchell is poison ...a despicable human being!!!

Burn the heathen at the stake!! DIE MITCHELL DIE!!!!!!

FFS

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There's so much I could say...

Damn...I guessed the other way around!...

Didn't mention about players having their loans knocked back, or ex-grlfriends following them into toilets ???
Look lots of stuff happens...so what? No one thing is going to shape or re-shape this club....
First smart thing I've ever heard Butters say (on OTC) is that if you want to be president, there isn't ONE thing that needs to be done, it's about doing 100s and doing them all well...

AND I bet that's a lesson that he learnt!

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Could I suggest we don't follow the board's 'sneaky leakers' here on TC?

Maybe a PM, and don't post is as far as it goes.

If there are manoueverings in the background at the CFC lets's not give journo's the satisfaction of further 'letting the truth get in the way of a good story' article

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

I read in The Age earlier this month that BG didn't want to go to Victoria?! OK so the father-son rule ruled him out of the Crows but would he still want to move to Melbourne if he doesn't get a black-blue-red-yellow-striped guernsey? Would a pick-swap with the Crows be in the offing?

The next question is, if you're trading a high-pick with the Crows, who is being delisted there and would we want them with the youth policy being touted as our future and working oh-so-well for the club?

How is the puppy doing, Deano?!

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(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

Who said Brown is all about unity?
My understanding is he's all about change and change is exactly what we need.
We currently have the most reactive board in the AFL. The process of sourcing Silvagni as an assistant coach over a board room phone call is just farcical.
What happened to instituting comprehensive interviews with numerous applicants? Not only did they offer him an assistant role, they then denied it after Silvagni had accepted.

I have been asking for a consistent and concise plan from this administration for 4 years now!
Whilst the well administered clubs are working to 3 or 5 year plans, we are making decisions as we go along day to day!
WTF is going on?
We are rudderless and pathetically reactive.

As for Denis not going out without a fight, good luck to him.
I'm sure he's thinking of the financially crippled Carlton football club and not the best part of 3 million dollars he's stuffed in his pocket since he got here.
I'm glad he believes in himself because theres shitloads of people who dont.
He is yesterdays man and I have no doubt that he is past it.
I dont give a stuff who his supporters are, the proof is out on the field.
His inability to grasp and counter modern tactics is indicative.

Let him fight. Its only the club he claims to love that will suffer.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

please god, not leunberger.

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please God, not Medhurst

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Greg Lee

please God, not Waterhouse

Who else loves it when Melvey posts???

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Clive is in Adelaide playing for Port Adelaide - or was until they got flogged by South Adelaide last week!

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Michael Gardiner's no good but I played with a bloke called Jim Gardner in the mid 80s in WA and he was a absolute gun - chased hard by Claremont from memory but moved up north to Mt Newman with Wild.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Wolfister run out of your one percenters contribution?
I knew this would happen... i tipped it...

Maybe you cant read... i already said. Sticks has been pushing for the kids to play and Denis has been playing them kicking and screaming didnt i??.. and this has been part of the friction???

Any other questions???

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Colour me purple.

Regards Cazzesman

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Why does anyone think the coach of a club would hand over the decision making on who to pick in the draft to one of his minions? Especially a control freak like Denis.

I think I'm going to spew

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