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Why forget about it???

We should fight damn F@%&#! hard to get it back.

We should be fighting damn F@%&#! hard over a lot of things.

We can't really afford to give ANY players of value away - so the only original thought here is giving the AFL some of its own back - instead of meekly turning up our toes or dropping our trousers. :roll:


Agree AGRO.

Lets hope we don't take up Ports offer of a player and their number 5 pick for our number 1 pick (reported in The Age this morning). The way we are going we may just agree to it!!

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No fear of us trading pick one.(or hopefully two).. i wouldnt worry about that...

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Elliot said a number of years ago he would have fought this decison in court and he believed at the time we would have not had any draft picks taken from us.

Synbad hopefully you are on the money here and we get at least one pick back. It would be nice to play FINALS next year and still get the first pick.

Yes I know, I am a dreamer. :lol: It feels good saying the F-word.


I always thought we had a good case for arguing that we should have kept pick 1. It really was against the "spirit" of the priority pick to take it away. I thought letting us keep it would have been a small concession to recognise that the board cooperated, and our list was by any objective standard horrible. It would have been a gesture of hope for the fans. The rest of the penalty didn't bother me so much, because we deserved to be penalised in some fasion.

BUT our legal argument had sure as hell better be based on something a lot more concrete than that or man are we going to look stupid.


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No fear of us trading pick one.(or hopefully two).. i wouldnt worry about that...


Tongue firmly in the cheek there Synners. Even CFC wouldn't be that stoooooooopid. If I asnwered the call from Peter Rhode when he made that offer I would piss myself laughing!!!!

Carn Blues, get them big kahunas out and take em all on like the good old days.

As Sticks said "We are Carlton, so f#$@ the rest of 'em". :x

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DIAMOTISM wrote:
Elliot said a number of years ago he would have fought this decison in court and he believed at the time we would have not had any draft picks taken from us.

Synbad hopefully you are on the money here and we get at least one pick back. It would be nice to play FINALS next year and still get the first pick.

Yes I know, I am a dreamer. :lol: It feels good saying the F-word.


I always thought we had a good case for arguing that we should have kept pick 1. It really was against the "spirit" of the priority pick to take it away. I thought letting us keep it would have been a small concession to recognise that the board cooperated, and our list was by any objective standard horrible. It would have been a gesture of hope for the fans. The rest of the penalty didn't bother me so much, because we deserved to be penalised in some fasion.

BUT our legal argument had sure as hell better be based on something a lot more concrete than that or man are we going to look stupid.

Its all under control... we have this grouse lawyer heading up the case.. his name is Denis Denuto.
Can anyone dig up a picture ??

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Thanks Synbad for the update. The battle is there ahead for our board if they have the intestinal fortitude and f#^king balls to do that. IMO the case is strong. My only worry is that we have lost standing and presence in this league that we might simply be fighting way out of our weight division and not put up a contest.

If JE was still president of Carlton on that fateful Friday, he may have pushed this issue to the point that a draft system would not be in place now. If ever tested it would not stand up in a court of law. Precedent has been set (NRL). I dont necessarily agree with removing this but to try and rip us off again this year with these PP rule changes which only negatively effects our club is taking thing too far.

My heart wants to believe it will come off. My head tells me it will be futile... :cry:

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The potential for an extra PP, the possibility of a new Board, new President, new coach.....it's all too much 'potential' excitement to be had!!!

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Ah so we are going with "the vibe" as our legal precedent. Good, that's flawless.


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Ah so we are going with "the vibe" as our legal precedent. Good, that's flawless.


Daryl Kerrigan ended up winning........ :wink:

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Even CFC wouldn't be that stoooooooopid. If I asnwered the call from Peter Rhode when he made that offer I would piss myself laughing!!!!



And the media reckon we are a rabble. You ask any Western Bulldog member/fan what opinion they have of Peter Rhode - and Port Adelaide put him on as Football Manager. :roll:

These media hacks are really like hyenas - go for the easiest option. :roll:

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Thanks Synbad for the update. The battle is there ahead for our board if they have the intestinal fortitude and f#^king balls to do that. IMO the case is strong. My only worry is that we have lost standing and presence in this league that we might simply be fighting way out of our weight division and not put up a contest.

If JE was still president of Carlton on that fateful Friday, he may have pushed this issue to the point that a draft system would not be in place now. If ever tested it would not stand up in a court of law. Precedent has been set (NRL). I dont necessarily agree with removing this but to try and rip us off again this year with these PP rule changes which only negatively effects our club is taking thing too far.

My heart wants to believe it will come off. My head tells me it will be futile... :cry:


Miracle on Royal Parade - mate. :wink:

BELIEVE. :wink:

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The potential for an extra PP, the possibility of a new Board, new President, new coach.....it's all too much 'potential' excitement to be had!!!


Or more excitement than your used to. :wink:









Just giving you an excuse to crack your 100th post - only about 7349 to go. :P

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So we're going after the PP from 2002 not the pre first round pick for this year right?

So we'd have 1, 2, 17, 19, 35, 51, 67...


Which is the drool emoticon...? :shock:

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So we're going after the PP from 2002 not the pre first round pick for this year right?

So we'd have 1, 2, 17, 19, 35, 51, 67...


If we have the advice Synbad says we do, we'd be mad not to go for it. Why would you push for picks 1, 2, and 18 when you could have 1, 2, 18, 20? You'd be shooting yourself in the foot ... although the club is fairly good at that.


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So we're going after the PP from 2002 not the pre first round pick for this year right?

So we'd have 1, 2, 17, 19, 35, 51, 67...


Which is the drool emoticon...? :shock:


GWS,


Get it right
1, 2, 18, 20, 36, 52, 68...:wink:

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Sorry. :oops:

Actually - shouldn't we be pushing for both?

Get the AFL to upgrade our current PP to Pick 1 and THEN take them to court over the 2002 PP.

The we'd have 1, 2, 3,... :shock:





Sorry, I'll just clean up now... :oops:

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Actually - shouldn't we be pushing for both?

Get the AFL to upgrade our current PP to Pick 1 and THEN take them to court over the 2002 PP.

The we'd have 1, 2, 3,... :shock:

Sorry, I'll just clean up now... :oops:



Dont laugh this is what it actually should be?

Don't worry your girlfriend can use the excess as hair gel. :lol:

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Scoping an appeal....

Dear Mr Demetriou,

congratulations on the success the AFL's achievement with the TV rights.

The AFL have never been in a better position, and continue to be the premier football code in Australia, despite some strong competition put up this year from the soccer fraternity. There are a few issues however that need addressesing to ensure that the AFL maintain this leading position and alleviate pressure that taint the AFL image as being fair and equitable amongst the 16 footy franchises. Furthermore addressing the issues will ensure that the code does not continue filling the backpages of leading newspapers with negative reports concerning the AFL's shortfalls in handling contentious issues, and put the media's focus back on the harmony that exists within the AFL family.

It has been brought to the attention to the football public that Carlton, one of the founding clubs of the AFL/ VFL, has been dealt with unreasonably and in contemptable fashion by the AFL in recent years. Perhaps it was due to an oversight by the AFL at the time, but the issues relating to Carlton must be fairly dealt with now, even if the implication is that the AFL had made mistake.

If there has been an oversight by the AFL, admission of an oversight will do more good than harm to the credibility of the AFL amongst all football codes and AFL community. There is much more to gain than lose for the AFL by considering and overturning previous rulings that have subjected the CFC to unfair treatment, which have been seen detrimental to the well being of the CFC.

There is no doubt that the consensus amongst the football community is that CFC was dealt with exceedingly harsh on Black Friday 2002. Carlton was honest and open in its discussions with the AFL with regards to a breach in within the Salray Cap rules, and as a result was delat an inforeseen blow whereby it was excluded from the National draft for 2 years, including close to $1M fine. The $1M fine in effect has bankrupted the club, and the draft penalties put this club, who incidently were already on the bottom of the ladder, further back than anyone in the AFL commission may have estimated. The main issue here is not the draft penalties and fine, but the AFL's wihdrawing of Carlton's right to the PP of that year. What is contentious with this decision is that there was no stipulation that the penalties included the ommission of the PP selection for CFC.

The effect of such excessive penalties is reflected in the club's position on the ladder and player list over the last 4 years. Enough said.

It would be honourable and noble of the AFL, as the guardian of all AFL franchises, to reverse it's wrong decision to strip the PP of 2002 from Carlton prior to this year's draft,.

Furthermore, considering the fact that CFC have won 7 games and 2 draws in the last 2 years, in effect makes CFC eligible to access it's current PP in the first round not after. Please consider this too, for the benefit of a healthy AFL competition.

If the AFL chooses to not reverse its decisions, or in better terms rectify its mistakes, Mr Demetriou, then it leaves CFC with no alternative but to elect your old friend, Mr Fraser Brown's ticket, to lead our club, to deal with future discussions involving the CFC and the AFL regarding these issues.

Our club has experienced a period of turmoil since the AFL employed excessive measures to penalise the club. These decisions need to be re evaluated and reversed for the betterment of the AFL competition, in helping resusitate the CFC from the straglehold the commission has placed on it, whilst improving the standing of the AFL as a fair and just facilitator of its code.

I appreciate your consideration and cannot express the gratitude to the AFL I will feel if the decisions are reversed. No doubt it will be to the benefit of the CFC, the AFL community and importantly help me keep my position as the President of the CFC. Fraser is just around the corner.

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AGRO wrote:
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Actually - shouldn't we be pushing for both?

Get the AFL to upgrade our current PP to Pick 1 and THEN take them to court over the 2002 PP.

The we'd have 1, 2, 3,... :shock:

Sorry, I'll just clean up now... :oops:



Dont laugh this is what it actually should be?


Exactly Agro. Gibbs, Hansen & Gumbleton. :P


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Scoping an appeal....

Dear Mr Demetriou,

congratulations on the success the AFL's achievement with the TV rights.

The AFL have never been in a better position, and continue to be the premier football code in Australia, despite some strong competition put up this year from the soccer fraternity. There are a few issues however that need addressesing to ensure that the AFL maintain this leading position and alleviate pressure that taint the AFL image as being fair and equitable amongst the 16 footy franchises. Furthermore addressing the issues will ensure that the code does not continue filling the backpages of leading newspapers with negative reports concerning the AFL's shortfalls in handling contentious issues, and put the media's focus back on the harmony that exists within the AFL family.

It has been brought to the attention to the football public that Carlton, one of the founding clubs of the AFL/ VFL, has been dealt with unreasonably and in contemptable fashion by the AFL in recent years. Perhaps it was due to an oversight by the AFL at the time, but the issues relating to Carlton must be fairly dealt with now, even if the implication is that the AFL had made mistake.

If there has been an oversight by the AFL, admission of an oversight will do more good than harm to the credibility of the AFL amongst all football codes and AFL community. There is much more to gain than lose for the AFL by considering and overturning previous rulings that have subjected the CFC to unfair treatment, which have been seen detrimental to the well being of the CFC.

There is no doubt that the consensus amongst the football community is that CFC was dealt with exceedingly harsh on Black Friday 2002. Carlton was honest and open in its discussions with the AFL with regards to a breach in within the Salray Cap rules, and as a result was delat an inforeseen blow whereby it was excluded from the National draft for 2 years, including close to $1M fine. The $1M fine in effect has bankrupted the club, and the draft penalties put this club, who incidently were already on the bottom of the ladder, further back than anyone in the AFL commission may have estimated. The main issue here is not the draft penalties and fine, but the AFL's wihdrawing of Carlton's right to the PP of that year. What is contentious with this decision is that there was no stipulation that the penalties included the ommission of the PP selection for CFC.

The effect of such excessive penalties is reflected in the club's position on the ladder and player list over the last 4 years. Enough said.

It would be honourable and noble of the AFL, as the guardian of all AFL franchises, to reverse it's wrong decision to strip the PP of 2002 from Carlton prior to this year's draft,.

Furthermore, considering the fact that CFC have won 7 games and 2 draws in the last 2 years, in effect makes CFC eligible to access it's current PP in the first round not after. Please consider this too, for the benefit of a healthy AFL competition.

If the AFL chooses to not reverse its decisions, or in better terms rectify its mistakes, Mr Demetriou, then it leaves CFC with no alternative but to elect your old friend, Mr Fraser Brown's ticket, to lead our club, to deal with future discussions involving the CFC and the AFL regarding these issues.

Our club has experienced a period of turmoil since the AFL employed excessive measures to penalise the club. These decisions need to be re evaluated and reversed for the betterment of the AFL competition, in helping resusitate the CFC from the straglehold the commission has placed on it, whilst improving the standing of the AFL as a fair and just facilitator of its code.

I appreciate your consideration and cannot express the gratitude to the AFL I will feel if the decisions are reversed. No doubt it will be to the benefit of the CFC, the AFL community and importantly help me keep my position as the President of the CFC. Fraser is just around the corner.



Great Letter however, your only problem with this approach is that you are under the misaprehension that Demetrispew is a 'diplomat' and a 'statesman'.

Unfortunately he is an arrogant tosser who has been 'Peter Principled' way above his level of competence. What's worse he has his nose firmly esconsed in Ron "Is this a piece of your brain" Evan's arse so you want get any comfort there either.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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