That is the real issue with Mitchell. Most of the guys who have put runs on the board for Mitchell cannot cut it at AFL level. They are very good VFL players but the step up to the next level is too much for them.

What assurance do we have that Mitchell can do better than Pagan with the actual AFL players on our list? If we have no assurance, are we just changing cause we're board of losing under Pagan and would find it more refreshing to lose under someone else?

What had Worsfold shown....or Roos or Craig?

We have to interview those involved and make an informed decision.

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I agree, interview to get the best possible coach we can have rather than 'Anyone but Denis P' if that happens to be Mitchell then do it.

If it's Longmire - get him, and so-on. But to just say 'Pagan's gotta go and Bazza will do it for nuthin' will show no "plan" at all .

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This has probably already been posted in another thread, but I thought I'd post it here for consistency.

Carlton stumbles into spring

Typical vitriolic Fatprick bile. He really sinks the boot in.

The worst thing about it, is that he's right on the money with most of it.

You really know that we're in trouble when one of Fatprick's diatribes hits home.

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Spot on Lurker Blue,

we can whinge about Fatprick's article all we like - but sadly it is on the money

So fatf@ck thinks that Pagan is simply above any criticism? That he has absolutely no responsibility for the performance of our team? It is after all the fact that our players are hopeless and not up to AFL standard and what can Denis do, turn shit into gold??!!!???

What a load of dribble. Yeah we may have a shit list, the club may be a rabble and probably not even deserve to exist but trying to represent the opinion that Pagan is somehow immune to any blame or criticism is extraordinary. We have acquired 2 wooden spoons in a row. If there wasn't some sort of review or discussion as to how and why this occurred and how it can be improved this this would really be "world's worst practice" as he concludes.

Pagan's biggest mistake in his tenure thus far was his decision to act in self-preservation by recruiting retreads and second-rate mature players at the end of 2003 to lessen the chances of big uncompetitive losses and protect his record instead of embracing rebuilding our list in earnest. Most of those players are now gone or close to because they have been found out and we prolonged our pain for another year. Decisions he made

The AFL were happy to compromise the viability and prosperity of our club with those outrageous penalties and now that we are a basket case every stands around shaking their heads. And add to that denying us rightful access to a pre-draft priority pick when it is blatantly obvious that we qualify for this type of assistance after two back-to-back 16th placed finishes but no this is removed because other clubs were exploiting the PP rules and criteria previously so the decision is justified. Who gets the kick in the guts, we do!

But hey we have a shit list and really only have ourselves to blame! Absolute bullshit!!

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Most Outstanding Columnist - Patrick Smith.

his unique perspective on the game.

Robbed.

unique perspective on the game = drunken arsehole with multiple personality disorder

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We should make him president!
That criteria worked in the past.

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Then we could make a wicker fatprick and burn it on family day for 10 bucks a head. 20 if you want to throw in a match

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In today's column titled, Carlton its own worst enemy badly in need of class, sophistication, he wrote (brief run down because it doesn't have a link):

- Smorgon is silly for meddling in recruiting matters and undermining Pagan's authority with his statement about not recruiting anyone over 24. He related this to Gardiner and believes securing Gardiner's signature is important for the development of our kids due to a lack of leadership and experience.

- Any Carlton ticket or board that has Brown as a member could be blocked by the AFL commission.

"We do not know what Fraser Brown's intentions are but if he was to join the Carlton board the AFL would have very serious concerns. And we have sought and received legal advice that we could act on these concerns" - Demetriou.

- Board should have resigned immediately after failing to appoint Mitchell

- AFL has set aside $24 million over the next three years to support Carlton and Smith thinks we will collapse without AFL help.

Even if we get a decent President and board with Brown, etc. on it?

Why does anyone employ this clown or start a thread on him?

I've had a gutfull of Demetriou and I give up after he keeps rimming us whenever the chance presents.

Football is terrible with Demetriou's mates running the game and the Swans are pushing for back to back flags after he bagged their winning style of play. He has no @#$%&! idea about football and the Swans are a great team.

That cauliflower gets off on running a club as arrogant as Carlton by default and I'm sick of this prick who can't stand the criticism that comes with the job.

Oh well, they got the Headliners bit right. That's been a great show!

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What did Brown do wrong other than fail to cooperate with Demetrious witch hunt?
I wouldnt think there is anything illegal in Browns actions.
Just another case of the AFL dogs playing god methinks.

"We could act on those concerns"!

@#$%&! I hate Demetriou.

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I heard that Brown will not be legible to run on the board because he has a conviction.
Running a footy club is akin to being clean like when holding an alcohol or gaming license.

Its being clarified from what i understand.(Just something i hear)

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Nice to see Patrick didn't let the award go to his head...

Hopefully that was the plan!

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20 ways to see the world,
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I know what you're saying, but he runs his own successfull multi-million dollar business and they're a spitefull bunch at the AFL. It's a crock if they're using the gaming and alcohol licences to stop him joining a ticket.

Maybe he should put his money behind the Storm or Victory if Demetriou doesn't like him.

And Sheahan defended the AFL on 3AW today when asked if the AFL interfered to get the board to keep Pagan in the job..

What a puppet.

No Brown = Priority pick.