Does the fact that we'd traded away one of the subsequently stripped picks (in exchange for Barnaby French) before the penalties were imposed have any relevance to the oddity of losing the 2002PP but not the 2003PP?

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How can 18 equate to destitute?

Tap...tap...tap...tap...

What did we lose out on.....Goddard? a player who has no real position? and Wells? a player who in the last year might as well have been playing for the bumphuc 2nds....yeah, would have ben nice to add BJ to the list, but @#$%&! it....we got better with simmo anyway.

im over it.

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its not so much what we have lost bnz, but what we could gain... think about it.

Do we expect this to go through the AFL / or through the courts in time for this year's draft?

That's some sort of speed involved.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

As I mentioned before - the AFL Commission left it as late as the night before the 2002 National Draft to @#$%&! us up the arse right royally.

Their is PLENTY of time to re-adjust the draft in order to assist us.

And if I hear any @#$%&! bullshit from "The Spew" about prejudicial to the Draft etc - tell that to Richmond who traded away Pick 4 in the 2002 National Draft and it ended up being Pick 2.

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I aggree!

We needed to be punished, and we were!

No Doubt we were punished way to hard and the AFL IMHO are regretting it somewhat now, but let's move on.

I'm just happy that we managed to get Simpson out of that draft.

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Good question, anyone know the answer?

Remember reading somewhere (bigfooty ) that we were to lose the picks but because we traded one of them, our priority pick got taken off instead.

Any confirmation?

That sounds a bit spiteful; given that (I don't believe) the penalties had been properly imposed at the time.

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OK Ryan, so we got punished and the AFL (as does everybody else) punished as, regretably too harsh. So here we may have a chance to salvage something, and maybe, just maybe, if you're right about the way the AFL feel about their unprecedented decision to sink us, then we have a chance for them to agree that they had made a mistake.

So, if we have a chance to snag Gibbs and Hansen/ Gumbleton we should forget about it?

It's like walking away from something that takes a lifetime to achieve, like receiving $1M Ryan, when all it may just need to get it is a bit of effort. You'd walk away?

Look it's all about values. Doesn't matter what you value such as principle, player or money, it's what are your values that count; to want to be an achiever or a receiver. Do you value something more that you have to earn or receive for free? Reward for effort is what I'm eluding to.

If you value something that is achievable, you'd be foolish or weak or %$%**)& to not make a short term effort to get it.

We'll have a few wins if we get the PP. Pride, admission from the AFL that we were harshly dealt with, hence our current position (deflects from our own stuff ups), gives us our just reward in obtaining Hansen/ Gumbleton. This move helps us fast forward our progress, their is light, the supporters rally and feel vindicated, the sponsors follow the masses, the story, the hysteria....then next you know we're winning 2 games in a row, then 3, then in a couple of years, rather than 10 years we are back in the top half with a bunch of kids with a decade in front of them.

We've got nothing to lose if its our pride that we're fighting for, that's a good thing. Win or lose we have won. If we lose and whilst the opposition will be glad to see us lose again, they will feel even stronger in their beliefs that the AFL Commission has far to much brutal dictatorial power for their liking. From that they will forever remember the AFL's harsh punishment of CFC, rather than our own failure in the past and in the present. People usually remember the last thing that happened in a period of perpetual conroversy/ events; like our 5 year F%%* up.

It's a defelection.

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I don't get it to be honest.

Why now?

It makes me feel we're like the dero in the back alley begging for scraps.

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We also lost out on Brock McLean and a lot more picks in first/second round. We got right royaly [REDACTED]!

so what is actually going on?

are we asking for the PP we should have got in 02?

or

are we asking for the PP we should get this year?

or

are we asking for both?

that wodul be awesome.

Pick 1, 2 & 3

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and we could even argue for the 1st round pick we lost in 02 with which north picked up wells and also the first round pick we lost in 03 which went to melbourne who picked up brock mclean and then we could have pick 1,2,3,4 AND 5!

no i wish but as far as i understand it we're making a case for the PP we lost in 2002 which st kilda used on goddard.

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i thought we're chasing to upgrade our PP pick from 17 to 1 (before the draft)....thought the board were trying to get the AFL to reverse the PP decision they made this year regarding winning no more than 4 games in 2 consecutive years to receive the pick earlier.

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that sounds more logical and initially i thought that too but i'm pretty sure it's to do with the 2002 one being taken away from us. i may be wrong.

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aghhhhh @#$%&!.
what the @#$%&! have we become.
we cheated we got caught we got made an example of.
give it up. it would be great to have another pick, but its not going to happen.
the afl is a well structured money making machine, we have no chance in hell. @#$%&! close this thread down.

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dane's trolling again

Alright, thanks for sorting that then..

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My thoughts exactly!

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