The Scum reportedly tried to around their penalties by trading players for early picks because they knew would be caught.

Smart.

So who gives a @#$%&! if they don't like it.

The AFL just gave a repeat offender a slap on the wrist when they penalised them for being $85,000 over the cap.

Hird's and Lloyd's marketing contracts and websites weren't considered a serious breach by the AFL.

Some of you blokes actually appear scared of the prospect...

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Agree with all of that but it's our own fault for voting in Collo. As soon as we did that the AFL went for the jugular because they knew he would cop it. We should have stood up for ourselves then, no point in this "We're Carlton F#$% the rest" 4 years later while on AFL life support. They would laugh at us like in that dude in the Sportsmart ad if we threatened them.

There's a difference between fear and pragmatism.

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Demetriou's comments about Fraser Brown and chasing him for answers would be an indication that this priority pick chase wont get us very far...we are at the stage where the AFL are almost running our club..we have AFL loans, Fitzpatrick watching our every move at board level and reporting back, cant sack Pagan cos the AFL said no, and now AD wants to stick his nose into who we vote on and off the board.
And the best Smorgon can do is worry about some long lost Priority Pick.....get real....
I say roll on Fraser Brown and challenge this board and get the AFL out of our board room and lets run our own club...its absurd worring about some PP when the clubs arse is hung out so far and we have so many major problems.....Demetriou doesnt give a rats clacker about our history or being a ex powerful club and IMHO would luv to see us fall over and be pushed interstate etc..we should be worrying about that more than a PP...

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Fair enough comment Elwood, although I think it is a defeatist approach to the turmoil/ opportunity.

I would rather worry about the interstate thing when it arises, and deal with all issues as they come to the table.

Right now, we don't know if Fraser aill be successful, we've received the AFL loan, still got Pagan (because the AFL says so), Fitzpatrick looking over our shoulder, and that's all business as usual.

Surely the Board must have some business to attend to in the meantime, independent of the AFL's directives. What have we on our table to consider right now? The Draft and PP!! What's the big deal? If we think that multi tasking is above this board, then isn't good for them and us that they only have one task between now and the draft; to chase the PP, and bring us back some honour.

Nothing to lose?

Nobody has yet convinced me, with a valid reason, that CFC have something to lose by challenging a previous decision that is considered unjust.

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They are still both negative thought processes in my book.

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The only other club in our position are the Kangaroos and they do what they are told and when they are told by the AFL....we are on the edge of becoming similar....what are the projections for next season in terms of membership, what new sponsors do we have?...or are we just content have our puppet leader go and beg again and get us further into the arms of Demetriou?
We should have challenged for the PP at the time ...
As for Fraser Brown being successful lets put it the vote and get it done....
I actually think it pathetic we are challenging the AFL on this PP thing and I wouldnt lower myself to begging....lets get a decent board toghether, new coach and show the AFL we can make it without their help or this pathetic begging approach...

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Sorry EB, can’t agree. The biggest fillip for our club to once again return to some sort autonomy and financial stability is to once again return to some sort of on-field competitiveness and provide something for Carlton supporters and members, corporates and sponsors to get behind and support again.

I realise that having an off-field set-up that can generate and maintain interest in our football club is also important but our club is beyond that. We simply need to start winning again and giving our fans something to look forward to.

And having the chance for one additional pick in a draft such as this and recruiting a once in a generation player will have immeasurable benefits for our club. We need it. We deserve it. We are being raped again by the AFL with what is happening this year

Whether the argument is for the PP seized in 2002 (less preferred) or about this absurd removal of a PP this year after 7 wins in 44 matches (preferred choice) there is a strong argument there. If there ever was a club that required a PP it is our club right now. It is irrelevant that the AFL make a rule change that simply isolates our club and once again rorts it silly. This is manifestly unjust.

We have to fight. Once we are up and about again then we can cut the tentacles away from the AFL. A new board isn’t going to make the loan vanish or the maintenance expenses for Princes Park disappear.

This fight will also be a symbolic gesture for Carlton to show some gut and stand up for itself

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Well if that's the case we may as well give up now as our stock-in-trade over the last few years has been simply rolling over...

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Challenging the PP ruling is the start. We get off our arse and start to fight. Don't worry so much, the AFL have more to lose than we do. they're wrong in the first place.

I'm not into biting the hand that feeds us, but I believe in exercising our rights; I'm sure the AFL does too. If the AFL doesn't approve our democratic right, they'll have to find a remarkably unique way to camouflage that position.

This challenge will expose the suppression we have had to endure from the AFL.

Nothing to lose!! What else is there left to take away from us; our license? Yeah right, not in the next 5 years sunshine.

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prag·ma·tism (prgm-tzm) Pronunciation Key
n.

A practical, matter-of-fact way of approaching or assessing situations or of solving problems.

Nothing negative about being pragmatic. Maybe the reason Carlton got itself into this mess (and no matter how much people want to blame the AFL for penalties etc, it is the Club's fault that we are where we are) is because it wasn't pragmatic enough when it needed to be.

The whole Kernahan/Elliott 'we're Carlton, @#$%&! the rest!' smacks of arrogance lacking pragmatism. Nothing wrong with a bit of arrogance, except when it leads to ridiculous actions.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Step one.
A presentation and a claim for the lost pick was made last week.
The AFL have been given 7 days to reply.



So its really a case of watch this space for now. Should know more this week.

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What are our chances like, Synbad?

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Im not too sure.

BUT

The subimission was put before the AFL.

If it is rejected you know that the AFL want us to fall over as a club...
We have had 3 top 5 picks in the 5 years we have been at the bottom.. the priority pick system has changed making it more difficult for us to dramatically improve our list..
We are on our knees and if its not granted .. it means they can do anything to us and do not care if we get back up or not.

Under those circumstances.. i dont believe the club should have any option but to take it to the next step.

Now the people that have looked into the legalities believe we would win .

I think thats where things are at the moment.

This week will tell us alot about alot of stuff... re the AFL and this board.

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There is another thread about drawing the line in the sand, well this could be one of those moments.

This, I think, will have been the 4th submission but never with the threat of legal recourse depending on the outcome. This could be a mammoth outcome for our footy club.

Synbad, like you said the AFL's response will answer so many questions. The eligibility of Carlton acquiring another pick at the start of this years draft is unquestionable if the fair principles of justice are applied. We have won 24 out of the last 110 games, 7 wins out of the last 44. If ever a club was to be eligible for a PP it is Carlton, right now.

The AFL were happy to sign our death warrant in 2002. Odds on this getting up are remote to none. Let's see what happens. One thing is for sure, on this dispute with the AFL, I give Carlton and the board 100% of my support.

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No arguements from me on the Eliott front, however;

2 : relating to matters of fact or practical affairs often to the exclusion of intellectual or artistic matters : practical as opposed to idealistic

It is the highlighted part that concerns me.

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I'm glad the club has had the sense to take this action and hope it pays off, as it will be a boost of immeasurable amounts to our credibility (not to mention the playing stocks).

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I reckon the AFL may well compromise and give us a priority pick this year, but a priority pick on the terms of the 2007 draft which'd mean we get 1, 17, 18, 20

I really can't see them giving a pick before the first round