Malouf is a Geelong man Molsey.

I don't believe that if he is seriously contemplating leaving that he would have gone off with the other boys to Thailand.

Hopefully if he is thinking of flying the coup, then the guys [hopefully, not soon to be delisted players themselves] can talk him into staying.

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Typical CG crap.

As if they'd do that - the issue is that it's unreasonable and we'd be trading one of the few KP backmen we have.

If it was Waite or Fisher or Whitnall on the other hand...

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- Igor Stravinsky

How about we put CG's comments about pick 6 and Hodge in our signatures? He seems to enjoy referring to comments by others.

Two things. Carlton are plain stupid if we don't sign T-Bird up or trade for pick 6 and if we get Guy Richards over keeping Bryan then Carlton are plain stupid.

I love Jim Watts, please release your findings to us all so the world can
see how stupid our board really is.

Oh and one more thing, if draft Bryce Gibbs in our current state then we are even more stupid again. Pick 45 for Gibbs in 2008 will get the deal done.

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If youre going to trade anyone it should be Lance 'BnF should have been All Australian CHB' Whitnall.
Who will tidy up behind him next year????



Look, the message this screams out to the young players is distressing.

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I personally don't think it's that much of a board issue - it's a football department issue, unless the Board have released an edict saying first choice FB at the club only gets $150K base with maximum 260K.

If the football department thinks they can play hardball with Thornton, he'll call their bluff and leave and we won't get anything other than pick 24 and Nick Ries or something like that.

If they offer pick 6, then I'd consider letting him go actually - but no way for anything other than that, unless Hodge or Roughead was included and that won't happen.

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We're enforcing a youth policy but we insult one of our best young players with a disgraceful offer like that. It isn't any wonder no one wants to come to Carlton.

its a disaster if we lose thorton

unless its for something we cant say no too .. but even then it want to be a damn good deal

their 1st pick and a player of some class that we can get 100+ quality games out of, not some hack that may or may not make the grade.

even then i would still be reluctant to trade thorton

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Agree Clem...pick 6 and it's a deal. I don't think the Blues would hesitate on that. But at the same time I don't think the Hawks would do it.

I think they'd do pick 24 and fringe player (Nick Ries / Tim Boyle) but I couldn't see them parting with 6 when you have the chance of picking up someone like Thorp, Proud or Selwood with that pick.

The last thing we need is to get Thronton back through the PSD - what a waste that would be. bumping up his salary to 275k a season is the only way to go.

Teflon Terry expressed interest in Thornton on SEN this morning, if we can't keep BT after signing Kouta and the amount we pay Lance then they will have trouble keeping something more important - members

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flower Disgracefull Carlton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$300K a year for a 3 year Contract - I think that's a bargin for Thornton!

flower Disgracefull!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not everyone can get paid like our 34 year old captain and best and fairest.

How the mighty have fallen!!! We are finished.

I'd love to keep BT but if he has to go, 2 things are important:

1. The club/board stays strong. If we buckle and play into players hands then guess what's going to happen when future contracts come up for renewal.

2. Whatever deal we come away with is to our benefit. The Hawks are all over the papers at the moment, but BT would have currency. In a purely CFC/Haw transaction we'd have little bargaining power given negotiations with us have already stalled. If they know we need to make a deal then they'll hardly be bending over to offer up much. When we know BT is on the move we need to shop him around to encourage a couple of bidders.

Would hate to lose Thornton but it's not the end of the world, we've lost good players before. Well done to Eddie Betts signing on for another 2 years.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only stability we have had since Hamill left is with player defections.

If Thornton defects, whilst we're rebuilding, it will send a message of greener pastures outside the Navy Blue. I do not want Carlton to be the 2 year development club and watch some of our good kids depart as a preference.

This should be nipped at the flower (given it has been allowed to bud and flower with interest from Hawks, Bombers and now Tigers building momentum).

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Spot on regarding the members. Sad, but true.

Losing Brett Thornton at this stage would be worse than losing Judas.

Brett is not even asking us to match Hawthorn's offer - he is not asking over the odds money in term of market rates.

He is a player who we have invested 90 games with - he has come off the Rookie List and is only now starting to come into his own.

The message that this sends out to the rest of our young player group is - "Your future is not at Carlton".


Also please change your avatar it makes me sick.

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I don't think he's gone yet... but it sucks that this kind of thing is played out in the media, and we would be stupid not to match that offer... he's definitely worth 300k for 3 years.

This article is clearly written to rile up fiesty supporters... notice how they quote the Carlton base offer, but not the Hawthorn base offer? Hmmm, if we make the discrepancy as large as possible, that'll get people talking.

The Age is just a bigger sized tabloid.

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GO YOU BIG RED FIRE ENGINE
Move aside Kouta, Lance etc - you're holding us back... from entering the under 18s

Yep losing BT would be a disaster, but we need to be smart. If the club has a system (which Caz explained several pages ago) and we place importance in that system, we shouldnt be going to water and flip flopping. If the system is wrong, then change it, if Thornton's been undervalued by our system then fix the valuation. Just lets not go panicking and tearing our own internal player valuation rules apart out of this pervasive sense of panick and reaction that seems to be driving the ship right now.

If we reckon our player valuation system is OK and has worked for years, and if we have confidence in the valuation we've put on BT, then stick by it I say. You are all worried about the message that young players get to move on when their contract's up, I'm more worried about the message we're sending if we buckle, namely that if CFC values you lower than what your agent reckons you're worth then threaten to leave in the HUN and the board will collapse.

Finally can I state that the best result here is to keep BT, but lets not be naive, we should be seriously planning for our next move if he goes. If he stays, great, throw the plans in the bin, but if he doesnt then lets get smart and not just take the offcasts available at Waverley.

Yep, I hate the Avatar too, but seeing it reminds of me of how much i hate the fu$*er and how important it is to maintain the rage!!

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Agree completely.

I reckon he'll still be a Blue next year.

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What did Hawthorn get for Hay? They will do nicely thanks.....

Agree about reading between the lines....obviously McConnville is from the "Alison" school of negotiation ......

Synbad....you are being negative (ooof....)...just thought I'ld say it seeing as everyone chickened out


BUT....dropping "Guy Richards" like that.....very naughty....that's just scare mongering!

I still believe the trade period will be vry "light" this year...and agree about the papaers aims of just flaming up the supporters.
Other than Acker...is there anyone else confirmed that they want to move....Getting these deals done will take the week and I bet not much else will happen..

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