No point flogging a dead marriage and making the children suffer....the children being the members/supporters in this case.

The children have been offered the same promises...mummy and daddy wont fight anymore....or we wont fight in public anymore and to prove it we have this lovely family portrait of Daddy(Denis), Mummy(Smorgon) and Uncle Malouf and your Favourite Uncle(Sticks)..
Now go off and pay your memberships like good little children.......
Did we tell you mummy and daddy are having a baby.....we are calling him Bryce...when a marriage is in trouble have a baby.....that lets everyone know we still luv each other....so its a happy home children.....the mortgage may be out of control and Uncle Andy Demetriou wants his 1.5 mill back at some stage but the marriage is still strong...trust us....

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Surrey why does a positive back page in the Hun mark our commnecement of rabble status. We've been a rabble a while and I can't see why fans would see this story as being negative after what has gone on before.

I think part of the problem with some of the posts is that people think anyone would be better than the current lot - until they get in and then they will be shocking, hopeless, have no idea. Lots of posters hailed DP as the second coming, applauded as he shredded the side, cheered as he sacked players, and yet now think he is too tough etc. Why do we always see things in absolutes? We are in trouble and there isn't anyone out there with a magic wand who is going to fix it. It will still take several years to get a decent team together and to get on top of JE's debt and previous management practices. A few positive stories recognising the need for some unity is hardly a bad thing.

What did Groucho Marx say ? Maybe this could be our new song
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway;
Whatever it is, I'm against it!

Nah Gerry it was not what was said but how it was said and done.
We are not united and not moving as one in the same direction.

There needs to be some board resignations one way or the other for the good of the club. What is happening at the moment is shameful.

The club is bigger than the individual.

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There's so much I could say...

What's the opposite of a "leaky sneaker"?

A gumboot perhaps?

Anyway - interesting that the Gumboot Brigade should choose to get the Herald Sun's big guns in on this one. They obviously asked some really difficult questions.


What a lost opportunity.


Why would you seek to reduce the number of board members considering the club is currently understaffed as it is?

Which board members did you have in mind to go?

Why?

Why did the move to sack Denis end in a 10-0 vote to keep him?

What convinced those board members who voted to sack Denis to change their minds?

It has been reported that you held telephone conversations with Andrew Demetriou during the period of those board meetings discussing the future of the coaching position at Carlton. Did you speak to Andrew Demetriou during that 2 day period?

Would you sign a statutory declaration stating that the AFL had no influence over the decision to retain Denis Pagan?

Do you think your Vice President's speech at the B&F was appropriate?

Cut the "proud and passionate" bullshit. Was it appropriate?

Why are you leaving the room?





Jim Wilson - I don't care if your semen's navy blue - that was one of the poorest excuses for journalism to spew out of the Hun since Andrew Bolt's Finding Nemo diatribe (which was at least funny).

Woeful.

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Turkish Proverb

So Synbad,

do we intend to actually have a vote on some of the important issues that need addressing now? Or are we just going to run to the media with Smorgon, kernahan, Malouf, and Pagan every time there is due to be a vote?

Who made you the boss of writing?

Every bloody time you post, you're paying out on some journo... Makes you sound like the life-time Uni student who writes for the Student Union newsletter since everytime he sends something to the real press they laugh at him for being another Anna Coren... Either that or a journo whose stuff doesn't stir up the type of attention needed for front-page news.

I'm sure you've got some good points to make, but the constat "toilet journalism" argument is wearing thin.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

@#$%&! off Jim...

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

It was me.

Sorry.

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i hope you're not knocking Anna Coren? She's hot.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

That is complete rubbish.

Super coach Barry Mitchell could have.

But now Pagan is going to set us back a further 10 years *sigh*

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"Davies could eventually become a player of Judd's ability" - Paganite03 Click here to see for yourself!

Yeah, fair enough.... But if you buy the paper or visit the website just to pay out on the journo, then their job is done...

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

She might be hot, but you wouldn't f@ck her in case she did an expose on your willie

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

A pathetic piece of journalism. Honestly what a bunch of crap. Is it good to get on the back page with this sort of contrived journalism. As usual nothing was really said of any importance. When asked about Mitchell no answer was given.

Pity it wasnt in the Age.

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=301799

Just in case you were wondering just how orchestrated yesterday's meeting with the Herald Sun was.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

..... so this is is the price we had to pay for some "positive spin" from the HUN ..... my gut's churning... Mike Sheahan!!.... the other commissioner!!!... such is his standing in the game!!!....someone pass me a bucket

.......................:vomit:

We'd better be getting a lot more positive BS from the Hun in the coming weeks after smooching Mikey's ass on our official website.... the 'other commissioner' ..... ahhh well....'suppose that's the best outcome from the media we can hope for after Sticks bagged the chief football writers from The Australian and The Age.

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When Dick became President, it was as if everyone at Carlton came out of the hailstorm and into the sunshine - Stephen Kernahan

YARRAN!!





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Keogh wrote



Not having a go Keogh, but I'll give you the other side of the coin....

It's better than being on the back page with negative stories.

It's better than being ignored.

It's what potential sponsors want to see; their brand in the paper for free; expected...and we need to attract sponsors.

Journo wrote a feel good story; that's normal for papers...at least one...but given a good news story takes up the back page is a bonus.

I like to see the Carlton logo in the media, and it makes me feel proud.

When Carlton is on the backpage, Eddie and his woods aren't, and neither are the Bumbers.

Well, if there's no answer, maybe there's no answer. I bet we're not the only club not to have answers to all the public's questions.

On a serious note, whilst I take no sides with board candidates, because noone has given us a plan, I am starting to feel I'm thinking of siding with Smorgon as a snub against anarchists within the club...because the anarchists are providing me with no balanced views, no solutions, no hope, no support for the club...just aggression towards the brand, and anyone associated with them in bad times...and that seems to me to be anarchical behaviour.; at Richmond OK, but not at Carlton.

CG wrote, with reference to gerry stating that "there isn't anyone out there with a magic wand who is going to fix it"



No it's not rubbish. Tell me who has put their hand up with a magic wand CG?

Why do you consider the Bullants coach as an AFL Super Coach?

Why hasn't Mitchell ever been associated with other clubs' short lists for potentially an Assistant coach position, let alone Senior Coach?

Why is Pagan going to set us back 10 years, when the club led by Elliot and Collins have already done the damage for the last 5 and next 5?

Pagan will not be around for long, and definetely not in 2 years, when we still have our 35 kids aged around 20-25 at that time. So who cares about Pagan? If he doesn't change his style in 2007 and move with the times, then he will change roles; if you can't change the person, change the person.

Give us something realistic CG...not that anarchical hype, negative to the brand, that says nothing, except "I'm a Sex Pistol, everyone is wrong ......and we don't care".

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In other words Bondi its when they stop talking about you your [REDACTED]. Yes that is true but as I go through middle age I become more cynical and see through the crap. Yes its wrong but I love it.

Its is about believable as Thomas and the president still being best mates.

Supporters: Why won't the club come out and say something positive amidst all this negative press?

Smorgo/Pagan/Sticks/Malouf: We have a plan, we back each other, we will be back.

Newspapers: Not all gloom and doom at Carlton.

Supporters: Bullshit!!! What a lying rabble. Bring on the EGM.
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Let's try the Sliding Doors Version:

Club: Yes, we have had problems with each other. We wanted Denis gone but couldn't decide on an alternative coach, we can't work together, we are not functioning properly as a club.

Newspapers: Carlton a basketcase, Stay Away.

Supporters: No shit sherlock! More bad press, god we're a rabble. Bring on the EGM.

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Seems to me the way they did was the best way to go.

I checked out the following post from the website, and I believe that what I've been expecting to hear from the board and MC has finally been said. It's a start.

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=301799



The aim to return Carlton its desired place...at the top of the pile... is exactly what I want the main game to be. Nothing wrong with that.

And the outlined objectives and milestones, which have been missing for me, are clearly stated, and it pleases me that we have milestones. Yes I am expecting to hear how they will achieve it, but that's a start; cashflow neutral.

[quote]“We have various building blocks in place to get this club back, we are rebuilding the Carlton Football Club and clearly we are an underperforming team at this time. On the field we have a Youth Policy and this has been well documented and last week we announced that we will be increasing the number of Assistant Coaches by two in 2007. The second important issue is the redevelopment of the facilities here at MC Labour Park and we expect very positive news on this soon (indeed the final funding was confirmed later that evening and the redevelopment is now in a position to commence). The third important issue is our finances and importantly we expect to be in cash-flow neutral in 12 to 18 months time,â€

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue