Great post BondiBlue

Sensible, without resorting to obvious negativity.

Bondi, just to clarify. Firstly, it was I that wrote the post you attributed to jimmae..... and yes I'm well aware of the "game you have to play".... hence my post to begin with..... I think you've misconstrued what I wrote.... I was being facetious

Secondly, I have a feeling you've misconstrued CG's last post as well.... I believe he was being sarcastic when he wrote that...if memory serves, he's been anti-mitchell/pro-pagan (at least since that ill-fated Board meeting).

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Bernz here is right on both counts... oh well.

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Just for a bit of comparison:

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=301551

Geelong's press release about its football review.

Not that they had to be too cluey, Carlton got shot to pieces on here and in the papers for looking shakey, all they had to do was watch not to do.

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Bluebernx wrote



Apologies to jimmae for the mistaken identity. I wasn't making a personal attack.

I was surprised that jimmae would say something like that, anyway, it's not about the personality, bluebernz, jimmae or CG, or whoever's behind the post, it's the substance; the implication.

I've read your post BB, facetious?...too hard to see that from a screen, again, not a personal attack...but I take your word on that one.

As for CG.....are you sure he's being sarcastic? Maybe I'm wrong...he has been known to have a bit of a dig in the past....anyway, again, it's not about the personality, or the sarcasm...I made a point of the positives of such an exercise with the media, and still question/ challenge anyone negative towards this effort from the board and MC to make sense.

You see with some posters, I don't think anything is going to make them happy today, other than finals and flags; but then again that's what Carlton means to all of us. We supporters have to appreciate the little steps we are making with our club and our kids in our quest for finals, flags and money in the bank.

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At rhe end of the day.. what happened last night has put some noses .. no alot of noses seriously out of joint.

I dont think we have heard the end of this.

If half the amount of effort was put into ressurecting the club as there has been in saving their own backsides wed be ok now...

Its a case of watch this space even more closely now.

Pathetic that a move to make changes that potentially was to the benefit of this footy club were short circuited to strengthen personal standings within the club.,

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Put noses out of joint? Were they smacked out? Deservedly? By their own? Are these the same people who already have their noses out of joint because Smorgon is there? If so, then they didn't have their noses disjointed because of last night, they were already disjointed. I'd guess they are fighting amongst themselves. Whoever they are. If they are.

What I don't get, as probably most wouldn't, is where were the challengers when Smorgon was elected? Did they allow him the privelege of the role because noone knew what sort of mess Collins had left us with, and they didn't want to hold the baby? They just want the glory, after someone else has done the hard yards. If they exist, at the moment, they are a pack of wimps, with big mouths, and probably big egos; backstabbers. I'm only interested in the club; not the boys club.

I embrace any team that wants to be on the board, who will get this club out of the red and beyond a cash neutral position, but I can't hear them. All I hear is the baggers, who have a lot of contacts and knowledge of things that are going to happen that never do.

At this stage, I'd rather play it safe with a bird in the hand, until someone tells me what they are going to do for our club, and not just sack Pagan, because as far as I'm concerned, there are bigger problems with this club that Pagan to fix. He's gone at the very latest end 2008, and we'll still have our kids getting better and stronger and smarter. The boys in black didn't get that list together...oh that's right someone else has done all the hard yards for the mystery group with disjointed noses.

If the knives weren't hanging around, and the leakers served their position with some integrity, maybe the board wouldn't be putting out fires, and focussing on the main game; resurrecting the club. It shouldn't be hard to spot these backstabbers...they're the ones with the disjointed noses.

Yeah alright, I was expecting something about the PP, but there's still time, but tell me why would these blokes want this role they have now for their own personal standings? It's the last job I'd want with all the hooded and caped feral snipers hanging around. The current mob are there to serve the club until someone better stands, so let them get on with it.

I'm waiting and watching with anticipation, but the boys club in the background have failed in everything they are supposedly 'gonna' do to save the club; at this stage Synbad, it's all a myth. Amusing, but just a myth at this stage...lets get on with the business of resurrecting the club, and piss off the bullshit politcs, till it's real. Show me the money.

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@#$%&! off Caro...

You're kidding yourself Bondi if you don't think the head coach of a football team that has finished 2nd last, 10th, last and last under him isn't a big problem.

Agree....if it wasnt for the AFL holding Smorgons gonads and giving them a decent squeeze when they heard Denis was voted out we wouldnt have that nice family portrait in the paper....they should have had a photo of Andrew Demetriou on the back of the Sun with his hand up Smorgons back.....thats your united front.......
Two more years of Pagan and you dont know what sort of damage he could do....

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I didn't say that. He is a problem; an on field problem; and that's a big problem. But our brand is being tarnished by board issues since 2002, and that's not what I call recent; it's still going on, and if Smorgon and Pagan are there in 2007 and 2008, there will still be divisiveness. I just want the off field to be in control, so it can have a positive influence on the on field performance.

I know my position on Pagan, and it's simple:

Pagan 2002 spoon Carlton signs till 2006
Pagan 2003 has no drafts to use; retreads
Pagan 2004 has no drafts to use; retreads 10 wins
Pagan 2005 wins Wizard Cup extends contract to 2008
Pagan 2005 spoon
Pagan 2006 spoon
Pagan 2006 overthrow failed; too expensive!!
Pagan 2006 Carlton sack loyal assistants.
Pagan 2006 Endorsed by current board for 2007-8.

Until Pagan is officially axed or serves his contract he's what we've got till 2008. I hope he changes his coaching methodologies (lets face it, all of them need sharpening up). He's got no choice; he's cheaper to execute this time next year than he is now. Otherwise we've got him till 2008.

But at least the club have reigned him in and are now coaching him.

Hopefully the 2 new assistants will bring new ideas and a positive change than he might from his loyal 'yes' men. His record as coach is for all to see, needless to say, and he's living off the thread of a contract; money permitting.

He has been told that the teams youth policy is the only way; no more retreads. Look, he's lucky to have a job, but it's all in front of him, unless a coup changed things between now and the new season. To get things right; he has to adapt to the modern coaches ways of thinking. Using rotations and bench properly and make the players bust their guts 100%, and create many game plans using the strengths of the team to win. Drill them and they'll know what they're doing, and you'll see there will be less clangers and more goals.

So, as far as I'm concerned he's as under control as we could possibly have him right now, and he's not pulling all the strings. And whilst he is here he has no choice but to get the best out of these kids in 2007 ans even better in 2008, or he's going to have a really bad looking CV.

The back room is a real threat to this club's stability in the short term, nevertheless, it creates instability, and therefore no clear long term strategies. The board and the factions have not served the image of the club well, and that needs fixing with a bit of 'class'.

The way I look at it is that I've only got 2 more years to serve of this very long 7 year sentence.

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Elwood Blue wrote



Agree... but this has been going on with the past 3 boards:
Elliot
Collins
Smorgon

it hasn't been Smorgon that got us in this mess overnight. It's a big mess; Elliot got us into the debt, Collins gave away the shop to reduce our debt, including cashflow, Smorgon strangled with no money, and the AFL got us; they've been our guarantor since Collis regime.

United front...what you see is what we've got. There's united groups everywhere. All the other little factions reckon they can do better, but they're not going to change the AFL's stranglehold of us, so they'll be doomed to fulfill any of our short term expectations; unless they've got about $20M extra revenue to throw into our cash flow.

That's just what we've got to put up with, this board or just about any other, unless we can put our egos aside to stand united for our club.

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good post Bondi. We have them at least for 12 months but with fresh input and some soul searching they team can still perform strongly. It is not like we got belted everyweek ala 2005

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Bluebernz wrote



Having read a few of CG's posts since this post, I believe you are correct BlueBernz. I had an opinion that he was anti everyone and pro Carlton God; I never believed he IS the Carlton God though.

Please excuse my presumption made about you Carlton God...it's something that happened over time...you calling people 'morons', 'sheep', 'fools'...created my image of you. I understand you have Carlton's interests at heart.

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