is this a sign of how bad we are going at the moment?


2004 draft - there was alot of talk of us actually taking Deluca, from what i remember he was considered a very good prospect as a ruckmen, and we where considering taking him with our first pick or second pick and it was a surprise that we actually took Russell when we did.

perhaps Port - having spoken to Russell basically said, dont worry, we will either re-draft you in 2 years or get you via the PSD if we can and took deluca as their 3rd rounder in the hope that they can trade him for russel.

so port has effectively turned a third rounder into a 1st rounder pick

and carlton, going great guns has turned a first rounder into a 3rd rounder pick.

to be honest, that scenario isnt so hard to believe with the way the club has been run over the last few years

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mate if you can get those deals through i will even agree to the trade of Polak for 36 instead of 51

Port will give us nothing ... they know that we are looking for either Thornton or Polak in the PSD so will see that Russell will slip through to them. We will be lucky to get their 3rd rounder...

Essesndon will offer pick 20 at best, but most likely just to stooge us from trading with the Hawks so they can get Thornton in the PSD...

I don't know about that

I think the key is to try and deal quickly with Port and to get Polak ASAP. that gives us bargaining power with Thornton, and make all clubs up their offers if they want him.

I bet you Port would think carefully about Pick 23 for Russell. you're right, they might not do it, but thats a fairly even trade I'd think. Don't forget the risk to Port of us re-signing Thornton after trade week and picking Russell in the PSD.

I think our first step should be tying up Polak quickly. pick 51 or 35 or whatever. That says "we can pick Thornton in the PSD but can afford to trade him now at the right price".

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The Russell situation has been coming for a long while now. I copped some flak on here a while back for stating that he wasn't a happy lad, but that's a fact, and the club has had a long time to deal with this but has done very, very little. Our player welfare management must come under some focus for this.

Not a bad deal Luke... I'd prefer it if we didn't have to give up 23 with Thornton (even at the expense of pick 36 and resultantly Polak)

Russell to Port for 23 - check
Thornton to Essendon* for 18 and 20 - check

We'd scoop up everything after the first round!

17, 18, 19, 20, 23...

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As I said before, we dont have decent player welfare management. Because of the financial situation the club has cut cost to the bone everywhere. Big mistake, they cut the gust out of the footy department, the marketing deaprtment and the membership department. All thses things are coming back to haunt us. Even the Tbird situation would not have happened had we decent resources for things like list management.

The key task for a new board will be to invest oin these vital areas without endangering the clubs finances. Not easy - but thats why we need a better board.

This is very clever by Port, I suspect they are using Russell to leverage a trade for the no.1 pick. They'll offer us three choices:

A) their third round pick for russell (a terrible deal)

or

B) something like pick5, pick 22, and Deluca for Pick 1 and Russell (not great from our perspective but light years better that A. Ensures they get Gibbs and bragging rights over the Crows)

or

C) lose him for nothing in the PSD (revenge for Stevens).

I think I'd rather take C). What goes around comes around afterall. We should be keeping the pressure on Thornton and the Hawks.

that's how i see it too ...

I think you're right that timing is the key to our trades coming together. You'd hope we are doing a lot of work behind the scenes so that we can get maximum leverage on all trades. I'd say we're trying to juggle a lot of balls at the moment and crossing our fingers a fair bit too ... it's hard enough playing 'chicken' with one club let alone three at once ...

Doable.

pfft - anything includes pick 1

and i want several players

russel & pick 1

for their

pick 5, pick 22, Deluca & Salpoek and their third rounder and another player of substance, possibly Willits

means we end up with

picks 5,17,19,22 - Salopek, Deluca, Willits & Polak via PSD

throw in the trade for Thorton at Pick 6 & Pick 24

we would get

5,6,17,19,22,24 - Salopek, Deluca, Willits & Polak via PSD

i could handle those picks if we lost Thorton & Russell

never going to happen though

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We won't get that, not now (thanks Russ). We are juggling to many eggs in the PSD and everybody knows it. We need to break an egg to regain our negotiating position.

Russell is useless anyway. You'll be hard pressed finding a softer player in the country. Houihan comes close though.

Another wasted top 10 pick.

I don't think there's any point ruing the decision to recruit him in the first place just because he wants to go home 2 years later. The only way to completely avoid that possibilty is to only draft Victorians, & that just doesn't happen.

At the interview stage draft hopefuls are going to tell recruiters that they'd be happy to play anywhere.

I'm with showbag…it appears Port won't give up anything too great for Russell. The deluca/Salopek talk is fanciful but I can't see why they'd feel the need to do that.

Only real interest is from Port...he can go PSD knowing he will get to Port....we will have to take what they offer and it wont be Salopek...

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We need to see whether Adelaide are interested to deal with a reasonable pick or player. If so then we've got a very good case for the mediator to step in and tell Port they have to offer something of value.

It's in the AFLs best interest otherwise clubs will be scared of by the risks of recruiting interstate kids, and players in the northern states will be overlooked.

I'm sure they couldn't give a shit about our plight, but this will have ramifications for their Golden Clubs up north.

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Did you hear the one about the cancer?
What did the old cancer say to the young cancer?
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Now there's a cancer-"riddled" post for you....

Why did the cancer cross the road? - to infect the other side

Did you hear the one about the cancer? - it took up smoking and never felt better

What did the old cancer say to the young cancer? - so long and thanks for the mammaries...


How many cancers does it take to change a light bulb? 0 cancers like the dark.












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