perhaps there is a confusion over drivel and drive?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

That's right it's negative posters who are driving the fans away not the 3 spoons and 15 goal beltings.

Maybe Dannyboy and Carlton God could do a duet to cheer everyone up.

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tennis anyone?

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If they are driving otherwise prolific posters away from here (which they are) then they are driving away many many more marginal supporters.

But you can keep your head in the sand if you want.

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Precisely. Driving them away from here.

I have only come on in the last 10 minutes and read pages 9 and 10. Synners is basically saying one thing GET RID OF PAGAN


If the board voted 7 3 against him initally after a 6 hour meeting I think it would be fair to say the Senior Coach has his problems.

Ratten appears excellent.Crosisca worries me because he was an assistant at North.

Pagan from the outside seems a control freak who doesnt relate to young players and has lost touch with the modern game as has Sheedy and to some degree Malthouse.I am of the firm believe that coaches just like players have a used by date.Pagan's is up but he is still there and he is the most important person at the club.Thats the issue.

It seems the night for poetry so here goes.

We log online an insane amount of time,
To chew the fat about this and that,

Whether right or wrong we all sing our song,
with a picture, a joke or a rumour or two,

But the dark clouds roll in making their usual din,
With a hue and cry that can bring a tear to your eye.

Now it is not all sweetness and light for we are in for a long fight
But never despair because it is the club for whom we all care.

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now now game, the point is you seem to think if anyone disagrees with you they have their head in the sand - go read Jarusa's post again - where does it seem he is hiding from the truth?

But you love to put words in others mouth, well pictures actually.

One can be critical and still see positives. it can be done.

try it sometime. it might help your game.


ps me and CG together I think even he might find that funny

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I would debate he has any laurels of note, however we will agree to disagree.....wouldnt want my negativity and sheep like thoughts on TC to bankrupt the club by reducing the membership on mass and scaring the marginals...and I always thought is was a forum for opinion...

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It is a forum for opinion, not a forum for baaaaaing.

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Baaaaing is alright ...some people just need to learn to play in the paddock with the rest of the farm animals...

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Hmmm, I’m not too sure about this argument. The average reader and poster of TC I don’t think equates to your average supporter. While I would expect there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of Carlton supporters that read TC and do not post, I still wouldn’t call them average or marginal. I still think there is a level of fanaticism involved in reading an unofficial website on a regular basis – and I don’t think negativity would turn fanatical supporters away from the club.

If average supporters are turning away, I think part of it is inevitable as a result of the clubs on field performance and the rest due to the clubs conduct etc. I really don’t think negative comments posted on these boards can erode the supporter base in a significant fashion. Supporters that are that easily swayed off the club wouldn’t be fanatical enough to invest time into reading these sites in my opinion.

All interesting.

Those who are negative are seen by the positive thinkers as un-loyal and driving others away from supporting.

Those who are positive are seen by the sceptics as unrealistic and burying their head in the sand.

But at the end of the day we all love the club otherwise we would spend the time posting.


However this thread seems less of "we are Carlton f@##% the rest" and more like "we are Carlton keep f@#^&ing ourselves".

WTF

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No Synbad, you're negative. You may be critical in so far as you judge harshly, but you also refuse to even acknowledge positives. Thus, you're negative.

And there are positives. Maybe the overall situation isn't positive, but that doesn't mean that some of the re-signings, some of the appointments can't be positives.

I'm really happy some of the young kids have signed on again this week. I like the appointment of Ratten and I haven't made my mind up about Crosisca.

Does any of that mean I have my head in the sand?

I'm quite aware of the club's failings over the past decade, and the current boards recent issues. I choose not to harp on and on about them when I don't believe it will make a difference. Still head in the sand?

I wouldnt mind some head on the sand

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That's why Mark Harvey chose Fremantle.

boom boom

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Guys!!!

You're adults right? Well.....In light of Jarusa's Impact thread stop making us out to be like neurotic no-bodies...please!


Chill out :):):)

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I agree MM.

I first joined an online forum in the lead up to Black Friday in 2002. I wanted to know what was going on so I Googled CFC and came up with CSC. Funnily enough the thing that kept me going back was the critical nature of people's attitudes towards the club and John Elliott.

If everything had been smiley and rosy I wouldn't have stayed. By finding others like myself who weren't happy with the status quo and were making it (semi)public I found a Carlton community I previously didn't know about but wanted to be a part of.

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Unfortunately though, when you hear the same thing over and over and over again, it just gets really boring.

I think most people who have any issues would just like a bit of variety once in a while. That just ain't happening.