I virtually left the 'other' site.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Discussion is all about being heard.

There are some posters who post the same negative shit day in day out because they know they're right......I don't see anything wrong with that.

I'm a boring Football drongo who'll support them through thick and thin and I don't see people bagging me....I spose if they wanted to it wouldn't bother me too much...I almost set myself up for it.

I honestly get sick of negativity, but I wouldn't start a thread about it.

One thing I have learnt from the whole CSC saga is to just let people be people......If you start @#$%&! with it and treating people differently because their opinions differ you'll have a divide and there will be no discussion at all.....just a boring mens-club....wank wank.

The one thing about this site is that it is about 50/50 so we have a nice balance. Take a step back and don't worry about it too much it will get better come March.

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The problem will be made. for the solution to be sold, to your face before your eyes, tolerance is now the new danger

A quick analistycal breakdown of posts suggest the ratio is more 75 - 25 (neg to pos)

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Ich bein ein Carltonian

By the way where is this wank wank mens club you mention and does it give club members discounts?

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Jarusa,

you and I had an interesting chat about this a few weeks ago.

Sometimes the negativity around here does get me down. But then again, I take time to consider the negative information, take it on board, and consider what it actually means for this club going forward. And in the end, the negativity is just people's way of expressing their fears and / or aspirations for the club moving forward. Consider the negativity as a strange mark of affection for the club, and a deep and underlying care of what we do.

Now, going back to what we discussed a few weeks ago - you and I were both of the belief that Pagan had ended up responding to the media in 2006 as though he were responding to TC. The argument went something along these lines:

- TC kept talking about development, Pagan started talking about development to everyone and anyone some 4-6 weeks later. Didn't mean he was doing it - but he started talking about it.
- TC then moved on from development. It was being addressed by Pagan in the media after all. So the next big issue was promotion of the kids. About 4-6 weeks after this, Pagan started telling everyone in the media that he wanted to promote kids, but that no one was knocking on the door loud enough.
- TC then moved on to talk about the assistant coaches - particularly Elshaugh. Pagan fronts the board 4-6 weeks later, tells them that about mid-season he knew things had to change, and then proceeds to jettison Elshaugh

But the Board can move off-field too...

- TC gets a whiff that Pagan is interested in Gardiner. TC goes nuts - sends emails to the club. Next thing you know Smorgon comes out and says we aren't drafting anyone over 24
- TC starts to jump on the Fraser Brown bandwagon. A lot of support for a change in direction. Then the Board starts to be open and communicative about the goings on at the club - we get inundated with updates on contract negotiations with TBird, or the signing of Russell, TBird, Blackers, and Wiggler. First real communication from the club in years.

Look - all of the above can be portratyed as merely lip-service form the Club (and I wouldn't argue with anyone who says that it is). But, the appearance is that TC posters have set an agenda, and the Club has been put into a position that they need to respond. I am sure that there are other examples that others can list. To me that shows the value of some of the criticisms which come through on TC.

And you'll know when we have turned the ship around. The ship will be turned around when Synbad doesn't have to write negative stuff. And the reason he won't have to write negative stuff will delight even him. It will happen because we have a Board and Coach in place who are proactive rather than reactive. They will set the agenda that those of us on here will try and follow rather than have to try and create.

Because in the end, I think Synbad's posts are misunderstood. To me, what he is crying out for is a Board and Coach that want to take this club by the scruff of the neck into the future. He doesn't want to have to get on here every day and tell us the way the place should be run - because he knows we need to have a Board in place that will do that for all of us.

As a test of the theory that TC leads the debate for the Carlton Footy Club let's try this.... everyone on here talk about how we want a proactive Board and Coach over the next few weeks. I guarantee that the Board will start to use the term in their communications to us.

Proaction - it's about building a future for Carlton. The negativity will drop off when that future is assured.

How is any future ever assured. The best we can get is a consensus that people will always differ in their opinions.

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This thread reminds me of a guy who beat his wife. He said he'd stop if she stopped doing things that annoyed him. When she stopped doing the things that annoyed him he found other reasons to beat her.

Once a wife beater, always a wife beater.

You're not Alexander Downer are you verbs?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Hey..........

the clock was working on the oven...........i don't
know what her problem was.............!

if it's dark..........?

dinner's late.........!


kindest regards tommi

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Molly,

It was interesting that we both independantly came up with the same theory. I reckon there is a kernel of truth to it.

TC is beyond the point where it is just a small group of people chatting amongst themselves. The numbers I posted in the first post are from the site's traffic stats, those numbers mean that TC has a really substantial reach into the Carlton supporting community.

People might not feel like they are part of the media when regularly posting here but the fact is now we all are.

If you watched a lot of the media that Pagan did in the second half of the year at different times it was almost as if he was directly answering the concerns expressed on TC, but with a 4-6 week lag.

The lag to me would be a good indication of the information making its way to both the reporters asking the questions and the coaching staff with origins at TC and then friend talking to friend so that after several weeks the information filters out through the 'real' world and the broader carlton community.

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tommi

please take your cock off the oven.....


you did say cock did't you?


























well its what you wanted to say anyways....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

No.

Hmmmm..........

i wonder what DEE Boys got on his mind.........?

heyyyyy.........?


kindest regards tommi



















"speciallllll time ofthemonth..............specialllll time ofthemonth"........!

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

further proof


sporn axed

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I noticed that too and commented on it at the time but unfortunately as Molly points out it appeared to be lipservice at best. No point talking up a storm and then giving yourself an excuse not to follow through.

If the behaviour changes because of what happens in here then it's another reason to wield the axe.

I want a coach and a board who have a vision - not a coach and a board who are forever reactive. It might be a step up from inactive but it's certainly not proactive. We shouldn't be paying $600K to someone to tell us what we want to hear and then doing otherwise.

Sorry to sound so "negative".

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Spot on GWS,

we need a proactive board

I find the idea that posters on a forum are leading the way for the Club completely fanciful.

I think its more likely that what we come up with is entirely logical and at stages in-house at the Club that same logic becomes irrepressible (like Monkey) and a decision is made, or forced. Parallel development.

Promoting a rookie should have been an idea we had - all over the place - as soon as we knew we were a bottom team again. Eventually the issue was resolved by force of logic, need, pressure etc.

I think GWS was referring to Alexander Downer's Fish and Chip Shop Policy when he was Liberal leader in the early 90s "The things that Batter".

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

If you're thrashing around in the water struggling to stay afloat you'll grab onto any lifeline that appears.

What better way to silence a few critics than to go to the home of supporter discontent and spin a few lines in the press based on what you've read?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb