Blackwell on CSC came up with a tragic list of names of top up/recycle players whateva you like to call them.. I decided I would assemble them into a team....we have over the years recruited a entire team of duds, misfits, wannabes and never was's.......Stevens fell into our lap....leaving Scotland as the only real success story.....
I think its says something about the club when you can recruit a whole team of nothing and what esle could you expect but wooden spoons on mass..


B Gallagher Martyn Bannister
HB Teague Saddington McGrath
C Chambers Johnson Eccles
Hf Longmuir Morrell Harford
F McLaren L Smith Clarke
R Mott
RR Bowyer
Rov Cranage

Int STEVENS, SCOTLAND, Angwin,

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Retreads that Melbourne recruited 1996-2004.

Craig Nettelbeck
Ashley Gehling
Nick Pesch
Robert Pyman
Matthew Collins
Jeff White
Craig Smoker
Brent Williams
Jamie Shanahan
Scott Chisholm
Nick Carter
Stephen Powell
James Cook
Clint Bizzell
Craig Ellis
Peter Vardy
Gary Moorcroft
Chris Heffernan
Guy Rigoni
Ben Holland
Phil Read

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There's something about Lindsay Smith I'll always like... inexplicable I know... But you've gotta love a guy who's 2 metres call and who's only obvious skill is nearly taking a hanger once every month.

Oooh careful Elwood, hope you've sought permission through the right channels…that could be copyright!

Retreads Essendon* recruited 1998-2005

Ilija Grgic
John Barnes
Jonathon Robran
Paul Salmon
Daniel McAlister
Steven Alessio
Damian Cupido
Adam McPhee
Matthew Allan
Justin Murphy
Mark Alvey
Scott Camporeale
Ty Zantuck
Richard Cole

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Collingwood retreads 1996-2002

Mark Pitura
Marty Warry
Brad Cassidy
Anthony Rocca
John Barnett
Richard Osborne
Jonathan Ross
Jason Taylor
Clinton King
Brad Smith
Shannon Gibson
Stuart Mangin
Jamie Tape
Lee Walker
Tyson Lane
Paul Licuria
Ricky Olarenshaw
Mark Orchard
Glenn Freeborn
Michael W. Clark
Steven McKee
Andrew Ukovic
Mark Kinnear
Shane O'Bree
Simon Hawking
Shane Wakelin
James Clement
Brodie Holland
Jarrod Molloy
Carl Steinfort
Chad Rintoul
Scott Cummings
Andrew Williams
Shane Woewodin

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Adelaide retreads 1995-2003

Darren Jarman
Kym Koster
Troy Bond
Peter Caven
Shane Ellen
Brett James
Trent Ormond-Allen
Clay Sampson
Barry Standfield
Nathan Bassett
Mark Stevens
Ian Downsborough
Matthew Clarke
Scott Welsh
Matthew Bode
Evan Hewitt
Ryan Fitzgerald
Kris Massie
Ben Nelson
Daniel Schell
Robert Shirley
James Begley
Ronnie Burns
Wayne Carey
Jason Torney
Scott Stevens

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Lappin, McKernan and French never existed.

Hawthorn retreads 1996-2003

Gordon Fode
Robert McMahon
Aaron Lord
Justin Crawford
Jon Hassall
Todd Ridley
Nigel Credlin
John Barker
Nathan Chapman
Paul Sharkey
Joel Smith
Jason Daniltchenko
Brett O'Farrell
Anthony Rock
Lance Picicoane
Barry Young
Shaun Rehn
Matthew Dent
Simon Cox
Peter Everitt
Kingsley Hunter
Matthew Ball
Danny Jacobs
Simon Beaumont
Trent Croad

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Kangaroos retreads 1993-2001 (Pagan years)

Greg Eppelstun
Brendan Bower
Rodney McKay
Darren Tarczon
Gareth John
John Barnett
Trent Nichols
Glenn Freeborn
Robert Scott
Matthew Armstrong
Keenan Reynolds
Glenn Gorman
Chris Groom
Bradley Plain
Peter Bell
Martin Pike
Brett Chandler
Anthony Mellington
Winston Abraham
Shannon Grant
Jason McCartney
Gary Dhurrkay
Shane Clayton
Matthew Burton
David Calthorpe
Leigh Colbert
Saverio Rocca
Joe McLaren
Ricky Olarenshaw
Jess Sinclair
Ben Robbins
Mick Martyn
David Bourke
Mark Porter

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Some of these lists make a smile come to face, no matter how reluctant. Makes us look not so bad after all.

St Kilda retreads 1996-2003

Matthew Young
Jason Heatley
Troy Gray
Brett Cook
Gavin Mitchell
Jamie Elliott
Damien Ryan
Jacob Anstey
Tony Francis
Tony Delaney
Justin Plapp
Fred Campbell
Damian Monkhorst
Mark Gale
Robert Powell
Craig Callaghan
Matthew Capuano
Fraser Gehrig
Aaron Hamill
Steven J. Lawrence
Brett Voss
Heath Black
Trent Knobel
Barry Brooks
Luke Penny
Stephen Powell
Craig Callaghan
Brent Guerra
Jason Gram

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Seems like most teams have recruited plenty of dud retreads.

But lets not that get in the way of bagging Carlton though shall we.

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COCK.......!

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There are some very good players in your lists.

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But many many more players who you'd call "ordinary" at best.

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We didnt seem to get the darren jarmans, peter everitts.... and most of those other retred teams would do the business against ours very easily.....they recruited a few who could play..we didnt.
But I guess three wooden spoons in five years has no relevance to the clubs recruiting or planning process.....

re: bagging carlton?, thought it was a forum for opinion?.......can we expect another sermon?????? or maybe I can read about myself on another website.....

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Oh I'm sure you could make up plenty of 'dud' teams out of those lists.

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The % hit rate of all teams is so low it is amazing. It would be interesting in comparing the hit rates and recycling v taking kids in a draft above say postion 40 (arbitary, but most recycles would not be worth anything below this).

I think Jarusa makes a good point though. All teams have recycled players and very rarely does it prove overly fruitful. When looking at Carlton remember to keep it in perspective with AFL trends.

the difference is jar, all of these guys have been at the club since what? 2002?

not 1995 to 2003 like you have with some other clubs.

and i dont know how anyone could consider stevens, hamill, gehrig, black, powell, bell, grant, colbert, sinclar, porter, everitt ,croad, jarman, welsh, a rocca, licuria etc etc retreads. sure they are all atleast two club players but all dencet ones, often traded with the best of their carrers still ahead.

they weren't micky martyn pick 80 or PSD retreads.

big difference