... does this other website you are talking about happen to be flowers.com

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Gez I only did the lists quickly of some data I have that only goes to 2004. I think the only one I updated past that date was Essendon*.

There has still been plenty of unsuccessful retreading going on in the past couple of years, just look at the Kangaroos.

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What was it Jimmy Barnes said...aint no second prize......

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Western Bulldogs retreads 1995-2004

Jose Romero
Michael Johnston
Allen Jakovich
Brad Wira
James Cook
Matthew Dent
Simon Minton-Connell
Luke Trew
Paul Hudson
Steven Pitt
Robert Stevenson
Simon Garlick
Matthew Robbins
Scott Taylor
Nicky Winmar
Kingsley Hunter
Josh Mahoney
Trent Bartlett
Nathan Eagleton
Andrew Wills
Ben Harrison
Aaron James
Daniel Bandy
Marcus Picken
Shannon Rusca
Brad Fuller
Scott Bassett
Adam Morgan
Steven Koops
Lochlan Veale
Peter Street
Jade Rawlings

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All teams go for retreads but the timing is the issue.
The 03/04/05 drafts have impacted greatly on our list. Clubs will make assessments on where they are at and many will pay the price for overestimating their status.
Sydney for example have sold their youth down the toilet to a certain extent but the effects wont be seen for a couple of years.

My concern is the fact that Carlton was rock bottom yet refused to totally embrace rebuilding.

Glen Bowyer, Jason Saddington, Ricky Mott, Callum Chambers, David Clarke, Brett Johnson, Daniel Harford, Steve Kenna, David Teague, Digby Morrell, Mick Martyn, Troy Longmuir.

12 recycled players who have been drafted in the past 3 years yet not one of them makes our best 22.
Many were acquired with draft picks, not player swaps.
Forget lists from the past 10 years. Show me a club who has fared worse in the past 3 years let alone one with a supposed rebuilding mandate.

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...I sense another forum meltdown in the not to distant future....

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Gez, this article http://footygeek.com/content/view/1893/81/ analyses how each team has done when letting go of players that have gone on to play AFL at another club and getting players from other AFL teams. The data is to the end of 2004.

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Shameless plug!

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It's hard to embrace rebuilding when you're excluded from rounds 1 and 2 of the draft.

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I am going to have to update my article to the end of 2006 because I reckon the value of 'retreads' has gone down across the AFL in the last 3 or 4 years.

We have suffered disproportionally because we had so many in such a short time when it seems clubs got better at not giving qulaity players away.

From the start of the draft to the end of 2004 Carlton had drafted 60 players from other AFL clubs, 8 of those players went on to become 100 games players for the club. That strike rate is just not possible these days I reckon.

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Thanks Denis.



If you did your research, you'd notice we had full access to the draft in 2 of the 3 years and pick 2 in the other.
Nice try Denis but.....no cigar.

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Many seem to cringe at the thought of us using a 1st or 2nd round pick on a ruckmen, yet when someone questions why the club have no developing ruckmen on the list, your argument is put forward.

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Best of the lot I reckon Sydney retreads 1996-2003

The part in bold is from 1999-2003, they drafted 6 future premiership players (1 from themselves though ) for the club in that period, that is seriously good work.

Kent Butcher
Stuart Maxfield
Kevin Dyson
Rowan Warfe
Shannon Corcoran
Mark Orchard
David McEwan
Ben Wilson
Robert Ahmat
Wayne Schwass
Simon Hawking
Brent Green
Ryan O'Connor
Andrew Bomford
Scott Russell
Brett Allison
Jason Ball
Andrew Schauble
Paul Williams
Stephen Tingay
Nick Daffy
Barry Hall
Leigh Brockman
Tony Lockett
Nick Davis
Craig Bolton
Amon Buchanan

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My point was in relation to the players brought in before 2004 ... but as always make sure you change the context to suit your one line of argument. The club embraced youth in the last few drafts but the odd late pick on someone from another club who might help us out is low-risk IMO.

Not sure adding players traded for players in this list is fair either. You're bringing up players that we traded for our own dud players so in my book we're all square on those. If you want 25 per cent of the list for 18-20 year olds drafted between picks 60 and 100 we'll not only get smashed by 100 points every week but I really doubt whether we'll fluke more than 1 or 2 success stories. Ask Cazz how hard it is to find quality at that end of the draft without extreme luck.

The damage to our list was done pre-Pagan by trading away early picks for so-called established older players. When we had the early picks we frigged them up in a big way. Thats what is costing us more than giving up picks in the 50 and 60s on the likes of Saddington, Chambers and Longmuir.

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Here is an idea for all posters. How about instead of thinking where we went wrong all the time, spend far more time in thinking about where we want to go and how we are going to get there. There are some great threads going at the moment about our list and what we need to do to create a premiership winning side.

In many ways it is time to forget about the past and all the mistakes that were made, and concentrate on the work ahead.

No problems. I have got clearance from the board. It is football related however Do you have a football related branch to a accomodate such things?

Just kidding.

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Heres an idea for you SA.
You concentrate on your posting and let everyone else worry about their own.

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Don't get me wrong, you are free to wallow in the mire all you want. Some people like going over and over and over the same things, all the time. Good luck to them.

Can we add him to the Carlton retread list yet?

But Elwood I thought our recruiting improved when Pagan first signed?