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buzzaaaah wrote:
I can't see Mitchell as a senior coach but you have to take the opinion of those who followed the Bullants all year on board.
A friend of mine has a few younger Carlton players come to his pizza shop and they are fans of Mitchell.

I find it interesting that when younger players fail to develop quickly enough, its Pagan's fault and when younger players are developing nicely its because of Mitchell.

I guess personal bias intrudes into every argument.

There is no doubt that the Bullants had a strong senior core of players ie Morrell, Harford, Franchina, Prenda, Teague, McLaren, Bryan, Deluca, Chambers, Longmuir, Livo, so making finals is almost a given.
All things being equal during the finals, they were deplorable and looked badly prepared. Hardly a good note for the CV


Core players were good but check out who started on the bench? kids who most of us wouldnt be able to name.
Sandy had a backline that some of our other posters wanted to trade for in blokes like Nicholson, Ferguson, Bizzell, Wheatley, Bell.....there was no comparison in those two teams....Mitchell said he had nothing on the bench and his non AFL group couldnt compete with the Sandy non AFL group who were better quality cos they had the resources to pay for better players....

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I can't see Mitchell as a senior coach but you have to take the opinion of those who followed the Bullants all year on board.
A friend of mine has a few younger Carlton players come to his pizza shop and they are fans of Mitchell.

I find it interesting that when younger players fail to develop quickly enough, its Pagan's fault and when younger players are developing nicely its because of Mitchell.

I guess personal bias intrudes into every argument.

There is no doubt that the Bullants had a strong senior core of players ie Morrell, Harford, Franchina, Prenda, Teague, McLaren, Bryan, Deluca, Chambers, Longmuir, Livo, so making finals is almost a given.
All things being equal during the finals, they were deplorable and looked badly prepared. Hardly a good note for the CV


Core players were good but check out who started on the bench? kids who most of us wouldnt be able to name.
Sandy had a backline that some of our other posters wanted to trade for in blokes like Nicholson, Ferguson, Bizzell, Wheatley, Bell.....there was no comparison in those two teams....Mitchell said he had nothing on the bench and his non AFL group couldnt compete with the Sandy non AFL group who were better quality cos they had the resources to pay for better players....


I didnt watch enough Bullants footy to call myself an expert but Morell, Franchina, Harford, Vantissart, Raso is not a bad non-AFL group.

I am happy to say that we will have to agree to disagree. There's nothing I can say to change your mind and vice versa

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Great news, Pagan has lost his dictatorship and now Carlton will rise again.



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Is Libba really that bad?

Not being a smartarse but a genuine question.


He had a good rep before he came to Carlton.

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Mitchell should go as well. Has done nothing when it counted. :idea:


Obviously you'd be calling for Neil Craigs head as well Surrey?


Will follow Thomas soon if things don't happen in SA. That you can bet on.

Oh.

*Heads down to the TAB*

I'm all for Mitchell as an assistant because he has a track record as a development coach, but come finals time this year he did exactly what DP would have done two years ago: the kids were put to the wayside against Sandy, and it cost him.

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I can't see Mitchell as a senior coach but you have to take the opinion of those who followed the Bullants all year on board.
A friend of mine has a few younger Carlton players come to his pizza shop and they are fans of Mitchell.

I find it interesting that when younger players fail to develop quickly enough, its Pagan's fault and when younger players are developing nicely its because of Mitchell.

I guess personal bias intrudes into every argument.

There is no doubt that the Bullants had a strong senior core of players ie Morrell, Harford, Franchina, Prenda, Teague, McLaren, Bryan, Deluca, Chambers, Longmuir, Livo, so making finals is almost a given.
All things being equal during the finals, they were deplorable and looked badly prepared. Hardly a good note for the CV


Core players were good but check out who started on the bench? kids who most of us wouldnt be able to name.
Sandy had a backline that some of our other posters wanted to trade for in blokes like Nicholson, Ferguson, Bizzell, Wheatley, Bell.....there was no comparison in those two teams....Mitchell said he had nothing on the bench and his non AFL group couldnt compete with the Sandy non AFL group who were better quality cos they had the resources to pay for better players....


I listened on SEN and before the match they all picked Sandy. Duds like Deluca and Livo aren't much chop in the VFL either. :wink:

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As announced on Ch. 10...
Mitchell to continue as VFL Coach, but shift into the recruiting/development department. No match-day role.

Interesting.


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Its official

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=304478

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Well he could hardly sit in the box behind Pagan, pissing down his back and telling him it's not raining.

Wouldn't work at all.


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Very interesting. Without having had time to digest it and think about it, may be a good move.

So that means we are still in the market for one more assistant. Melbourne has just signed Paul Williams.

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I think we're waiting for Fev to finish seducing Voss...


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bluechampion wrote:
I think we're waiting for Fev to finish seducing Voss...


We'll be in another battle with Brisbane for the offspring...

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Very interesting. Without having had time to digest it and think about it, may be a good move.

So that means we are still in the market for one more assistant. Melbourne has just signed Paul Williams.

Frack! :evil:

I wanted him at Carlton.


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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Libba and Mitchell both needed to go. The fact they are still around says more about our clubs current off-field state.
What's Mitchell done wrong to deserve the flick. He's done a great job. Keep Pagan and lose Mitchell.....no thanks I know who I'd rather want.


Mitchell should go as well. Has done nothing when it counted. :idea:


Can't believe what you're actually saying. Maybe Port Adelaide should've have done the same with Mark Williams. There finished top but did nothing when it counted for a few years..........that is, of course, until they won the premiership. That 17-1 record must count for nothing. If you're not happy with 17-1 record and a couple of Preliminary Finals, how must you feel abour back to back spoons!:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:


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DownUnderChick wrote:
Re-signing Mitchell after the entire Sack Pagan, Don't Sack Pagan saga is amateurish and reeks of a club that has absolutely no confidence in its head coach that it would re-appoint a guy that interviewed for the head job [sic].

I feel look a school kid watching a bunch of boys [Sticks, Ratts, Braddles, Mitchell] in the schoolyard circling around a weakling [DP dare I say] and about to beat the bejesus out of him.

Not sure if I am articulating myself well here but I really feel embarrassed that DP is suddenly recruiting Carlton's Favourite Sons after four years of avoiding it like the plague.
He's not. They're being recruited for him. The Board doesn't want really him but are stuck with his payout. What better way of putting pressure on the coach than by given the Assistants he doesn't see eye to eye with.


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It also means that Pagan knows he only has less than half a season to perfomr next year before the careftaker coach acan take over

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The club might not have the money to sack Denis but he is sitting there waiting for the axe to fall.

all around him he has been completely destabilised except for GC.

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Doubt there will be any more coaches.

Full Time
Pagan
Libba
Rats
Crosisca


Part Time
Braddles
TD
Gary D

VFL
Mitch

Surely that is enough.

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Cazzesman wrote:
Doubt there will be any more coaches.

Full Time
Pagan
Libba
Rats
Crosisca


Part Time
Braddles
TD
Gary D

VFL
Mitch

Surely that is enough.

Regards Cazzesman


You would think so, unless Voss all of a sudden decides Carlton would be a good place to start life after playing. PREY WITH ME EVERYONE !!!!!!


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For the good of the Football club, either empower Denis or sack him. Everything the board does is friggin fifty cents each way.


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