Fev is a silly bloke, Gardiner is something else which I cant provide too much info about on a open forum like this..No comparison.

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Yes let's announce him as captain as soon as he gets back in recognition of the fine example he's just set for his team mates & every Australian.

How many times did Angwin and Norman muck up.

Getting drunk and making an idiot of yourself or popping pills and making an idiot of yourself

Is there a difference in these modern times

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exactly, get off his back, he is an awesome bloke. No one would love the club more than he does. You guys should be with him supporting him instead of bagging him. One last question would all this be happening if Lance Whitnall had done this?

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"I can't wait to win a premiership with this club" - Fev

You're 100% correct.

Fev should only be made captain he gains five kilograms during the second half of the season or he checks into the fat farm as part of his pre-season.

That's our new leader right there.

At least Fev didn't get drunk and sing Stand by your man.

Bit of perspective please...Jay Schultz, 0.05+ TAC sponsorships hanging on the line...ditto to Cameron Cloke....Brodie Holland and Bimbo punching on with other would be cab passengers ...Tarrant/Johnson
Ricky Ponting pissed and taking one for the team in a night club....
Warnie..being Warnie....
Dean Brogan punching on at the airport...and not for the first time....
P Burgoyne and M Oloughlin....something a lot more serious and topical...
ditto for S Milne, L Montagna etc...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

Angwin and Norman popping a few pills - There are rules for some and not others

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Let's not forget Scotland punching [or was that slapping?] a girl as well

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http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news ... 75663.html

Barman to press charges.

The saga continues.

My first reaction was FFS but he is only 25 and didnt hurt anybody. Its not as if the Irish live shelter lives, I am sure no telephones were throne or BAC laws were broken.

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The whole Gaelic idea is crap anyway. Bring back state of Origin instead.

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Did anyone hear the interview replayed by SEN with the barman? He was almost in tears just talking about it. I'm sure being assulted isn't particularly pleasant, but almost cracking up just talking about it 24 hours later? What the hell?

On the back of the sniping by the Irish during the international rules, and then them kicking up a stink afterwards it really makes you wander what's going on over there.

The barman acted as if he had never seen a drunk before.

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Very ironic that overnight as the NBA prepares to get their season underway - Kevin Garnett of the Minnesota Timberwolves won the 'Walter Kennedy Citizenship' Award; a prestigious award. The award honors an NBA player or coach for outstanding service and dedication to the community....The 'AFL Community Leadership' Award - won by Joel Bowden this year and presented (10k to his charity of choice) during GF week - went almost unnoticed.

Hats off to Bolton, Bowden and Licuria for their community work - but how about the recognition after it...? I know that many of you will say - these guys are on a great wage and soforth - however many in the community and in the media aren't witness to the great things that guys like Fev do throughout the year. So...AFL - recognise it properly..and give it the kudos it deserves.

The NBA televises the great work of the nominees. Delivering food packages / assiting Habitat for Humanity projects during the off-season...and it was said that much of Garnetts' community work went 'under the radar'. I think many great community service deeds in the AFL also go 'under the radar'.

The AFL needs to set some standards and follow in the steps of the NHL, NBA and NFL who all have these awards. Get the fans involved...put it on the websistes...buy a big trophy...name it the "Jim Stynes Citizenship Award" for all I care....encourage the community to get involved as well...I'd love to spend a weekend building a barn / well 'Amish' style for some drought stricken farmers in the country with Fev and the boys (example).

Instead we have the Brownlow medal - in which the former host broadcaster glorifies excessive drinking by elite athletes - it's really a televised piss up with a B&F medal thrown in for good measure. What a great advertisement for our kids. But you gotta keep the Crown Lager sponsorship gyus happy right !?

The only 'community service' work we hear about is when the judge hands it down to them at a court sentencing. Many are lucky creatures and their employer will step in and lie for them - explaining to the magistrate that after a football career their client has dreams of becoming a firefighter and one can't be a 'firey' with a criminal record.

The AFL is not alone in unruly behaviour...boys will be boys..etc. However there are no excuses. But take them out of the 'bubble' they are in a bit more often. It's a short career these boys have - but wouldn't you rather be remembered for the great community work you did while you were an elite footballer as opposed to a foolish drunk who was kicked off an overseas tour while representing your country for assaulting a barman ?

Doc,

Surely you are not putting the athletes in the American 'big four' above our guys in terms of citizenship just because their leagues trumpet every 10 cent piece that gets thrown in a hat?

There's a reason why you hear a lot more about the goodwill of those guys. Its called damage control.

Maybe our guys don't need to have their pillows stuffed every time they do something for the community...

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Watched a Foxtel Doco on Garnett...From memory Garnett had his problems with the law as a senior at High School...was charged with lynching along with a few mates and was looking at long jail time, charges were later dropped due to lack of evidence but a white kid was badly injured.
Garnetts mother moved state to get him away from the bad kids and it gave him a wake up call and the rest is history and now he is a community hero as well as sporting role model...I'm hoping this is Fev's wake up call and he can do the same...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

Too right there are. Players on the edge just need to give a reason for the club to chop them. Karl and Laurie did just that... Just think how happy we would be if ADL was in the papers...

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Slightly different scenario Elwood

Agree with every other sentence of yours (and Dr's), but lets leave the comparisons with US athletes alone. Our society is 50 years further advanced than theirs.... Or maybe that's where we're heading?

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Are we also talking about the multiple weapons charges the NBA players are causing. Or the fact that Stern is begging them to leave their guns at home.

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Take it one step further and award a second round priority pick to the club that gets the award.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.