Moment prease??

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Moment prease!!!

QFT x 10^11

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Conversely it can't be all as Synbad paints it.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I'm only guessing but I would imagine the percentage of users who are actually members of the club on BF would be lower than for the other CFC fan forums, and of those that are members even less would actually be registered to vote.

There were only around 2000 votes at the last election.

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A bit high and mighty though. Differing views are not always wrong, and it wrong to write off all opposing views as people who can not comprehend the facts is a bit arrogant.

I am not disagreeing with all the above views, just the assertion that it makes.

What a broad sweeping generalisation. I can show you posts and posters from BigFooty and Talking Carlton for and against the issues you have mentioned here. Try reading posts that rationalise the good and the bad in everything rather than just the ones where some kid writes a few lines without expanding. I'm starting to see that the 'learned' members are overanalysing some situations, placing themselves up on pedestals and in some situations putting their own agendas ahead of the club. We have an extremely ugly supporter base at the moment and it ain't getting any prettier IMO.

I don't see anything wrong with Caro's article at all. In fact I'd like a few more like that. As people have pointed out the Fevola incident just gave a reason to write more broadly about issues at the club. That's a fair enough link to make. If anything she didn't go hard enough and simply reiterated a few things we already knew. She's not going to get every bit of it right every time; different sources have different information and that's part and parcel of the confusion that's reigning at the club at the moment.

If the media just gloss over the club's spin and stick with the pay per view arse-licking, back page love-ins of the Hun we're in all sorts. That's the sort of crap that gets boards re-elected by grandstand drongos who wouldn't know Marc Murphy's shoulder from Jason Saddington's knee.

I want hard hitting, serious articles outlining all the crap that's going on at Carlton and I want it now.

Synbad's right - things will happen - but if we all kick and scream and deny it and shoot the messenger every time anyone wants to tell us that there's trouble in Denmark then we may get left with the current crap.

There are forces martialling who are trying to work out the best way of wresting control of the club from the incumbent incompetents who would rather hire a PR firm than a coach who knows what he's doing. Whether they go ahead sooner rather than later is still unclear but the more under the pump people like Caroline Wilson can place this administration and board (note administration and board rather than club) the sooner we'll be rid of the flowers.

Keep writing Caro and keep putting it out there.

The club is currently a shambles and I want it public.

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Turkish Proverb

Agree completely GWS.
There are substantial management problems at PP and Caro is right to highlight them.
6 years ago we had a PACE program with qualified staff who were there to guide and assist the players. In a decade where the other clubs are bolstering their off field resources, Carltons have virtually become non existent.
Just because Barry Mitchell has had the word "development" placed in his job description doesnt fill me with relief.
How ridiculous that at a time when we have our youngest, most inexperienced list in our history, we have jack shit programs to assist their personal development.

Where Caro lets herself down is she continues to view Denis as a sacred cow.
Instead of putting our 600k per year into the ra ra we currently get, we should have a Ross Lyon or Chris Bond at 250-300k, a few welfare/development officers at 60k each and a sports science graduate on our staff.

Caro is just seeing through the fluff and bubble that Smorgon and co. are selling.
You can put eye shadow and lipstick on a pig.....but it's still a pig.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Great points!!
Its a sickening feeling knowing that we are paying Pagan $600k. All we get are his bullsh$t cliches

No, not at all. That's exactly my point.

Or were you agreeing with me?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think the problem is that the club is now so far at the mercy of the AFL and so much in debt to them that it would be practically impossible to run the club the way it should be run with out a massive cash injection . Every decision now seems to have AFL approved stamped on it

I cant see that massive cash injection coming from anywhere

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

They were making the dumb decisions before the AFL bailout as well.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Smorgon had the chance to run the club in whole new direction when Collo expired. He's proved to me that it's beyond him. I was looking for radical change (I don't know why i expected him to deliver it) and it hasn't come.

the chance to make an impact on our future was thwarted by poor decision making, poor execution and now, a month of piss poor spin. They've been trying to paper the cracks and they are still breaking through.

Time to knock down the walls and start again. I can see that. Obviously GWS and Blue Vain and many others can also see that. Caro's just jumped on the bandwagon. Good on her for seeing through the bull.

If we don't grasp major change in the way we run this year we're confining our football and administration to mediocrity for yet another @#$%&! season.

Put Jarrod Molloy on for player development manager for a start.

Jesus I hope someone stumps up and calls an EGM before Xmas so we could at least start the new year with hope.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Agreed...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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Spot on GWS, Elwood and others...

I don't want to be the one standing around with the fiddle while Rome burns.

We need scrutiny on this club, and we need to cut through some of the PR spin. Nothing wrong with what Caro wrote.

Agreed.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Has Caro EVER written a positive article about Carlton, EVER?

We don't need Caro lighting the blow torch on the Club, we need the members to do that.

No one is living in la la land about where the club is at, but Caro's pathological hatred of Carlton is blurring her judgement.

If you think that the powerbrokers within and outside the club don't know what's going on at MC Hammer and only hang out for Caro's little snippets of wisdom, then you are dreaming.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Perhaps your pathological hatred of Caro is blurring yours?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Caro doesn't write positive articles about anyone. That's her style, always has been. She's usually spot on by the way. Was way ahead of anyone else in predicting what our penalties would be on Black Friday.

The fact is, the members AREN'T lighting the blow torch, so just as well Caro is.

And if the powerbrokers within and outside the club do not what's going on, they certainly don't seem to be doing anything about it...and the natives are getting restless.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!